Question for HT about the N1K.

[Flayed1]

I was just fliping through this book I have and started reading about the N1K up to the point where it says 1098 N1K1-J's were delivered in early 1944 and later complemented by 415 of the N1K2-J.

 Just wondering why you chose to put in the N1K2-J when so many more of the N1K1-J's were made?  

 N1K1-J's were mid wing with 2 20mm in the leading edge of the wing with 2 more 20's in under wing gondolas and 2 7.7mm guns in the forward fuselage...


  I don't care really that it had 2 more guns I was just wondering why put the N1K that had far fewer #'s in the war in and not the main type?


  This could also expand to the LA-7 3 gun model as only a few were made compaired to the 2  gun type...


 Not a gripe or whine as I rarly fly either of them but just a question. Would it not seem right to put the more numerous one in the game than just the better preforming one?

[handy169]

why some planes are in and why some planes are out can only be left as a guess IMHO. There are planes that notably deserve more in then others. In other WWII simulator games on the market the planes provided are diffently more better then here.

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Flayed1
Would it not seem right to put the more numerous one in the game than just the better preforming one?

My guess is that they didn't have detailed data for the earlier version.

- oldman

[Mathman]

The George was one of the earliest planes added to the game.  I seem to remember when it was added, Pyro stated that they wanted to add a Japanese plane that would be competitive with the planeset at the time (Spit, Pony, 109G10).  He also stated that every other online sim at the time had the Ki84 in it and none had the George.  As far as the reason for having the 2 vs the 1, I would guess the performance was the issue at the time it was added and they may have had better information on it at the time as well.  I seem to recall the the 1-J had some serious issues due to its being adapted from the seaplane version rather quickly (issues like the weak landing gear and some stability issues from the midwing were quite common in the earlier version from what I understand).  It wasn't until the N1K2-J that the airframe became a truly effective fighter.

Who knows, its a fun plane to defend in.

Also, if you get a chance, pick up "Genda's Blade" by Henry Sakaida.  Its about the 343 Kokutai.  This was sort of the equivalent of the more well known JV 44 in the Luftwaffe.  It had the highest number of aces and veterans in the IJN at the end of the war and they flew the N1K2-J.  Its a fantastic book with a wealth of detail and research.

[Masherbrum]

Excellent post Math.    Spot on.

[Ball]

dont

touch

the niki.

[Flayed1]

TY for the replys.

 And Ball I'm guessing you are trying to be sarcastic or something, and if you arn't no one said anything about changing it.

[Ball]

Originally posted by Flayed1
And Ball I'm guessing you are trying to be sarcastic or something, and if you arn't no one said anything about changing it.

no.

i am sending out a warning.

the n1k is fine the way it is, dont even think about touching it.  i cannot be held responsible for my actions if it is changed.

IM WATCHING YOU!!

[Hawco]

Excellent observation Flayed
Correct me if i'm wrong , but I'm sure I remember  reading a similar thread in which Kev367th said that we had  (In the Seafire) the 3rd rarest aircraft in the planeset.
It was something to do with the engine that it had.
Just shows you that there's more than one discrepensy out there.

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Hawco
Excellent observation Flayed
Correct me if i'm wrong , but I'm sure I remember  reading a similar thread in which Kev367th said that we had  (In the Seafire) the 3rd rarest aircraft in the planeset.
It was something to do with the engine that it had.
Just shows you that there's more than one discrepensy out there.

Yup -
The Merlin 45/46 Seafire IIc (our one) was produced for about 3 months total around 110 aircraft.

Merlin 32 Seafire L IIc had 300+ produced and then all the Merlin 45/46 were refitted with the Merlin 32 also.

Merlin 55M Seafire L III had 1200+ produced.

Only rarer aircraft in the game I believe is the Ta-152, 60-70 produced of all models.

[Bruno]

Only rarer aircraft in the game I believe is the Ta-152, 60-70 produced of all models.

The Bf 110C4/B is rarer - Only 20 Bf 110C-4 were fitted with DB601N.

This total applies to both C-4 and C-4/B, even for the C-7 which was a "serialized" C-4/B. Only 7 out of 39 aircraft were equipped with DB601N.

Erprobungsgruppe 210, the fighter-bomber unit in 1940, flew several different variants of the Bf 110. The 'C-6', which 1. Staffel, ZG 1, brought with them upon redesignation to 1./Erpr. Gr. 210, had a 30 mm. MG 101 Kanone in place of the two 20 mm. Kanone. Stab and 2nd Staffel were equipped with Bf 110 D-0/Bs from the outset. As the BoB progressed, and replacement aircraft were issued to the unit, the 'D-0's started to be equipped with the uprated DB601N engine. However as late as 27 September 1940 there was evidence of the unit using a 'D' with a DB601A engine (Gruppenkommandeur Martin Lutz's S9+DH shot down at Tarrant Gunville on that date). In the later stages of the BoB, the unit were flying the new 'E' version, evidenced by it beginning to appear in the damage/loss lists. Also the unit recorded the loss of a Bf 110 C-7 in November. The 'C-7' was an earlier-version Bf 110, sent to a repair facility, outfitted with bomb racks, and re-designated as a 'C-7' variant. Hence you will find 'C-7's with W.Nr. that relate to earlier sub-variant types.

The bible on all of this is the Petrick/Mankau book:

'Bf110/Me210/Me410'..

You would have about 27 Bf 110C-4/Bs (includes C-4s and the 7 designated as C-7s) produced.

[Reynolds]

Originally posted by handy169
why some planes are in and why some planes are out can only be left as a guess IMHO. There are planes that notably deserve more in then others. In other WWII simulator games on the market the planes provided are diffently more better then here.

M-8, no M-4...
B-26, no B-25...
Me-109K-4, no Bf-109E4/R3, R/5

I really do wonder some times if HTC just has a dartboard with a bunch of planes on it...

[evenhaim]

b25 was designed for parafraging or bombing with chutes, which the gme cannot support, as much as i would kill to have the 25 in the game it wouldnt be as realistic

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by evenhaim
b25 was designed for parafraging or bombing with chutes, which the gme cannot support, as much as i would kill to have the 25 in the game it wouldnt be as realistic

That was only one type of bombs the B-25 could carry. Plain old iron bombs were used from the beginning.

[Reynolds]

Originally posted by evenhaim
b25 was designed for parafraging or bombing with chutes, which the gme cannot support, as much as i would kill to have the 25 in the game it wouldnt be as realistic

lol. Thats funny. No, it carried good old fashioned bombs for the most part. In fact (Although I have no data to support this) I would wager a good deal the B-25 carried more plain old fashioned bombs than it did parafraging bombs. I fail to see how its design is any different (As far as bombing loadout and process) from our current B-26.