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Offline Angus

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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2006, 12:51:58 PM »
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Just use common sense.  There are more and more humans (6+ Billion), but there are not more fish.  More humans need more food.  Wheres the easiest place to get that additional food?  The ocean.

Hmmm, what group of people would like you to believe that the oceans are doing ok- Marine biologists?  Wildlife conservationists?  Or commercial fishermen?  I'll let you choose.


Just for your info, the Ocean gives a very small percentage of the food for the whole of mankind.
However, it is vital to some areas, and some areas have faired better than others in keeping their fishing grounds alive.
Bad examples are vast areas around south America.
Bad examples from the past are even Iceland and Norway with the Herring, - 1930's and 1960's. From the Herring crash in the 1960's the balance was off, and the Herring amount today is but a joke compared to those "golden" days.
Bad example today is the North Sea, where too many fishing nations are biting the same bone, which has become a negotiable political thing rather than anything environmentally making sense.
There is a reason that Norway and Iceland do not join the EU, - a big chunk there is the fishing policy.
You may think this is small stuff, for Icelanders and Norvegians together only count some 5 millions.
But the Ocean area is vast, and the combines coastlines are longer than the coastline of Africa.
It's a big thing to look after, and there are always "border" fishing ships and "Pirate" fishing ships, and then there are some scruffles between the fishing nations. But if the things are done with some mnd and heart, keeping the fishing grounds in equilibrum are quite possible.
So, Nilsen and me are keeping things okay in our aters AFAWK . Where we live...but some also only look to temporary profit....
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« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2006, 12:53:52 PM »
p.s. My Keyboard is giving up :D
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« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2006, 12:54:15 PM »
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I guess that means 50 years from now if I want to fix a box of tuna helper, I will have to go to the black market to purchase a can of tuna


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« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2006, 12:55:17 PM »


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« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2006, 12:57:08 PM »
For the consumer's side, - when there is no more Tuna, there will be NO MORE TUNA for quite a while.
There is too little cod, so when down to 1% of what it used to be, FISH and chips will be more expensive. Much much Much MUCH

Ces't la vie.....
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« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2006, 01:00:59 PM »
on the pacific fish & chips is halibut
is better than cod, but that doesn't matter too much, cause the chips outrank them both
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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2006, 01:28:45 PM »
hALIBUT BETTER THAN COD?
Well, it's a much rarer fish and a deep ocean one too (at least in the Northern Hemospere). It's more of a demand for the work as well.
It's decline would be similar to other base species as well.
 
Anyway, maybe it will really go that way that fish will be a rare and expensive delicatessen, - maybe a cup of fries with a glass of seawater instead, - just for the whiff?
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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2006, 02:00:36 PM »
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Originally posted by Angus

Anyway, maybe it will really go that way that fish will be a rare and expensive delicatessen, - maybe a cup of fries with a glass of seawater instead, - just for the whiff?


Ive swallowed my share of seawater in my life. Plankton is really not that great, but them big fishies likes it so maybe we can develope a taste for it aswell :D

As you said the Norwegian coastline alone is longer than the african continent, and the area of sea we are supposed to look after is massive compared to the land we hold. Thankfully the politicians are seeing the great wealth out there now both in terms of fish, oil/gass and toursim so the navy and coastguard are getting more funding. Its at the expence of other branches in the military, but we need to look after our own backyard/puddle before trying to please those that favor international operations on land.

Iceland should (imo) boost its coastguard to be able to better protect the waters too.
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« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2006, 02:16:14 PM »
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Ive swallowed my share of seawater in my life.


Every capsize I take a little bit of the home turf with me.
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« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2006, 02:34:52 PM »
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Ive swallowed my share of seawater in my life. Plankton is really not that great, but them big fishies likes it so maybe we can develope a taste for it aswell :D

As you said the Norwegian coastline alone is longer than the african continent, and the area of sea we are supposed to look after is massive compared to the land we hold. Thankfully the politicians are seeing the great wealth out there now both in terms of fish, oil/gass and toursim so the navy and coastguard are getting more funding. Its at the expence of other branches in the military, but we need to look after our own backyard/puddle before trying to please those that favor international operations on land.

Iceland should (imo) boost its coastguard to be able to better protect the waters too.


We are upgrading ships now and buying a new one as well as renting and then buyin choppers instead of the ones the USA had here (those served well and the co-operation with the USN was a very good one)
As well as that going on, we have recently made the infamous net cutters (cod war era stuff) ready for operation against pirate fishers.
I hope Iceland and Norway (as well as the Föroyar) crew together on that project ;)
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« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2006, 02:57:34 PM »
Sounds good Angus.

I think there should be inspectors with authority from all 3 countries onboard the "coastguard" vessels of the 3 nations so they can work together and not worry so much about crossing each others borders.
That way they can follow suspects over eachothers respective borders without all the red tape. Now fishing vessels can make a dash for the next border and international waters if followed. I know we will be taking russian inspectors with us on our coastguard vessels soon so they can be there and "help" gather evidence against their own nations fishing boats. That evidence willl prolly go down better with the russians courts than if we turn over the same evidence.

It has to be said tho that the russians are beginning to take over-fishing more serious now.
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« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2006, 03:14:40 PM »
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linky  Wow, 30 years is a very short timeframe. :eek:



   funny thing is, is that liberals will always come out on the side of the netters,

must be because they hate sport fisherman so much...
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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2006, 04:17:45 PM »
Start investing now in fresh water fisheries :)
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« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2006, 04:20:00 PM »
That's an extremely controversial study, lots of scientists are disputing their conclusions.
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« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2006, 06:06:48 PM »
Remember the early 2000's when the seafood was the solution to the world hunger problem? 6 years later overfishing has decimated the seas and still people are in hunger. Weird innit?
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