Author Topic: The Army's boot camp is now easier than the Air Force's (Read 2645 times)

Gunslinger · « **Reply #90 on:** November 07, 2006, 03:36:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Mightytboy
I was there in '82 and we only got to see the instructor hold one up. No small arms either.

Sucked!

There's also talk about every airman being M9 qualified when they switch to the 8 week program next spring.

Viking · « **Reply #91 on:** November 07, 2006, 03:50:52 PM »

AK-101

Best assault rifle made to date. AK simplicity and reliability and chambered for the 5.56N round.

Nilsen · « **Reply #92 on:** November 07, 2006, 04:01:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking

Best assault rifle made to date.

john9001 · « **Reply #93 on:** November 07, 2006, 04:12:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
AK-101

Best assault rifle made to date. AK simplicity and reliability and chambered for the 5.56N round.

hey, i thought you didn't have to clean a AK, what's that cleaning kit doing there?

VOR · « **Reply #94 on:** November 07, 2006, 04:17:46 PM »

It's not an issue item, it's just sold with the rifle to civilians who want "genuine" military accessories.

Nilsen · « **Reply #95 on:** November 07, 2006, 04:19:29 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
hey, i thought you didn't have to clean a AK, what's that cleaning kit doing there?

Its for the folks that buy it... the drool gets everywere.

Viking · « **Reply #96 on:** November 07, 2006, 04:49:55 PM »

lol Nilsen

I don't think the BFG is classified as an assault rifle. Probably as a WMD!

culero · « **Reply #97 on:** November 07, 2006, 05:23:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
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If we showed signs of tiring from that 1 mile march to the obstacle course, we'd get yelled at. It was horrible.

We were scheduled for one day on the obstacle course. Then, that morning the weather was bad, so they cancelled it. I graduated USAF Basic Training without ever even seeing the obstacle course.

culero (worked harder at Boy Scout camp as a kid)

culero · « **Reply #98 on:** November 07, 2006, 05:28:36 PM »

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Originally posted by lukster
I went through basic in '73. We definitely spent time shooting and cleaning the M-16. They did change it later IIRC.

1971, we spent one day at the range, half classroom half shooting. 60 rounds of .223 through an M16 and they "qualified" everyone, including the damyankee kids who'd never seen a rifle before and were shooting the dirt, over the berm, each others' targets, etc.

Bastards refused to certify me "expert" because they were too cheap to change targets between shooting positions (10 rds prone, 20 sitting, 20 kneeling, 10 offhand). I shot a solid hole through the middle of the target, so they couldn't count 60 holes

culero

x0847Marine · « **Reply #99 on:** November 07, 2006, 07:28:08 PM »

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Originally posted by BlueJ1
I know. It just sounded funny. I think the Marines call it "smoking".

Never heard of smoking, but I experienced the "Electric chair"; arms out locked straight with an M16 laying across while squatting w/ back against a wall... after a minute or so you're whole body starts to shake, and Deity help you if that M16 touches the deck.

Then theres "Television", laying down resting with elbows in the deck, DI says "change the channel" and you lock 1 arm straight in front as if you're reaching for something, "turn down the volume" gets the other arm. It basically hurts your elbows and arms.

"Island hopping" is running from one dirt pit to another getting worn out by side straddle hops, bends and thrusts, mountain climbers, push ups etc...

"Rock college", dudes who did well on tests got fire watch and took the dummies into the bathroom after lights out for an hour or two of studying.

Oh man and you'll learn ALL about "Mount motherf***er" and "Bi**h ridge", esp as dudes slip, fall and tumble down.

We got hit occasionally, more like a pimp slap than a slug... although one dude said "Bulls**t" to our Senior DI, he got clocked.

If you survive, you get one of these:

2Slow · « **Reply #100 on:** November 07, 2006, 09:38:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
AK-101

Best assault rifle made to date. AK simplicity and reliability and chambered for the 5.56N round.

It was on the Military, History, or Discovery channel I think. They had several different shows where they we doing things like the top ten fighters, top ten this and that. In one of the shows they did the top ten rifles. In the portion where they compared the Ak and M16 they ruled a draw between them. Each weapon had features that were better than the other, but overall it was a draw. I think it comes down to "shoot what you know."

That is why I own a Colt AR15 A2 Sporter/Match HBAR. I also have a S&W 38 Special Model 15 Combat Masterpiece revolver. They are what I know and what I am an excellent marksman with.

You get right down to it, they will all kill if you are on target.

Nilsen · « **Reply #101 on:** November 08, 2006, 01:49:09 AM »

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Originally posted by Viking
lol Nilsen I don't think the BFG is classified as an assault rifle. Probably as a WMD!

If you can assault anyone with it then its an assault rifle in my book....

Angus · « **Reply #102 on:** November 08, 2006, 07:19:01 AM »

OMG, I just fired my .22 mag "Assault rifle" at a raven sitting on a pole 350 metres away.
I missed, but the bugger flew away in panic

lukster · « **Reply #103 on:** November 08, 2006, 09:52:39 AM »

Boot camp is but a few weeks. The Army needs the rigorous training far more than does the Air Force. If the Army isn't providing it then the Army is failing it's troops.

Hawco · « **Reply #104 on:** November 08, 2006, 11:45:38 AM »

I once gave a recruit a "new" nose for releasing the spring on a live grenade and then not doing anything with it, wouldn't happen now, whole thing has gone to sh$t.