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« on: November 06, 2006, 08:35:58 PM »
It sounds like things are ramping up in term of fraud and criminal interference with the election.  I was thinking it might be of interest to start documenting them here.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/6/1717/68014
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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2006, 08:37:27 PM »
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Republicans are so afraid to run on their merits that they continue to resort to dirty tricks.


Post a more intelligent article if you want a discussion.

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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2006, 08:43:09 PM »
The daily kos?!?!?!?!?!?!?:rofl :rofl :rofl



:noid :noid :noid

And so it begins. And the polls haven't even opened yet.
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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2006, 08:50:33 PM »
VOR, just posting the interesting looking threads.  The core issue is that someone appears to be threatening these voters against voting for democrats.  I'm sure the democrats have been doing scummy stuff too,  lets see some more links.

BTW, here's another e-voting machine irregularity example that can't be ascribed to calibration:
http://www.votetrustusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1967&Itemid=26
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2006, 09:05:06 PM »
The threats sound like some bubbas pulling a prank, if those events happened at all. I don't see it as a threat to the system overall. It's hardly feasible to imagine hiring enough telephone thugs to call every registered democrat or republican and convince them they'll be arrested if they show up to vote. I've seen better scams come out of Nigeria.

Voting machines (like all electronic gizmos and thingies) can be manipulated by a savy geek regardless of the security systems implemented.

Overall, the voter fraud pandemic hysteria has likely set the stage for the losing side (whichever it may be) to call foul and obstruct the democratic process through legal means versus the thousands of dead voters who have managed to rise from their graves and cast a vote over the years.

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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2006, 09:06:31 PM »
Yup.  Dangling chad, anyone?

Either way there's gonna be *****ing and moaning.
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2006, 09:07:48 PM »
This thing won't be decided until December.  And it's going to be ugly.  Real ugly.

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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2006, 09:13:25 PM »
Hey Chairboy,

I drove to Portland this last weekend, and saw Saxton signs all the way, but when I got to Portland, Kulongowski signs predominate.  I don't know why we don't just declare the mayor of Portland the governor anyway.   Who gives a ---- about southern or eastern Oregon anyway?  Hell even Eugene doesn't count.

You and I live in a state where all you have to do is show a drivers licence and you can get on the voter rolls.

In order to get a driver's licence, all you have to do is show an electric bill in your name at the DMV.

Our current governor doesn't care whether one is here legally or not, just show up with a bill showing that you pay bills in Oregon.

But probably no illegal votes will be counted tomorrow... I am sure all the folks who voted by mail are honest and forthright in their use of voting rights.
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2006, 10:04:34 PM »
ya'll got alot of illegals up there too?

wow.

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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2006, 10:06:43 PM »
Maybe you need to get a grip on life chairboy.  If anyone is getting started ramping up it's pretty obvious it's the Dems.  Dems have learned from their past history that the way to get things done without having to have facts is to take it to the press who hardly ever question whether the allegation is substantiated or not when the accuser is a Dem.  The fact that 99% of Dem claims are completely disproven after the election is hardly ever reported, and never with the types of headlines generated during the campaign.  Of course by then, the story that the Republicans stole yet another election is part of urban myth simply because it has been repeated so often. The Dems then go on to use this myth to claim the winners (Republicans naturally) are illigitimate.  Just google "voter fraud" and look at all of the hysterical and breathless claims by Dems that just about every single race they lost was stolen.  

Of course, it would also be useless to point out to you that the great majority of areas where Dems claimed voter improprieties were, in fact, controlled by the Dems themselves.  Cook County, IL., Broward County, FL.; Dade Country, FL; Palm Beach Country, FL; Franklin County, OH; Milwaukee, WI; and King County, WA; (plus a bunch more in New York, New Jersey, New Orleans, etc., etc., etc.)  all have Democrats running their elections.  

The Dem plan of attack is not just intuitively obvious to the casual observer but actually part of their written strategy to 'front load' accusations in preparation for their coming defeat:

From the American Center on Voting Rights regarding the 2004 election(Link) :
An internal Kerry-Edwards/DNC manual obtained by the press in October 2004 urged Democrat operatives to launch “pre-emptive strikes” alleging Republican voter intimidation against minority voters, regardless of whether evidence of such intimidation actually existed. The Kerry-Edwards/DNC “Colorado Election Day Manual” stated: “If no signs of intimidation techniques have emerged yet, launch ‘pre-emptive strike.’” (5) (Exhibit A) Though titled “Colorado Election Day Manual” this document and its recommendations were reportedly part of the campaign plan used by Democrats in Florida and other battleground states.

Funny thing about Dems leading with pre-emptive claims of voting improprieties is that they are now concerned that Black voters are not planning on turning out to vote tomorrow....why?  Because they believe the Dem hype that their votes won't count anyway.

More interesting info from the report:
....Just as it is clear that the outcome of the election in Ohio was decided fairly, it is also clear that thousands of Americans were disenfranchised by illegal votes cast on November 2. For every illegal vote cast and counted on Election Day, a ballot cast by a legitimate voter is cancelled out, effectively disenfranchising the properly registered voter. In Wisconsin, a joint federal-local law enforcement task force found “clear evidence of fraud in the Nov. 2 election in Milwaukee,” including hundreds of illegal votes by double voters and felons. (133) In Washington, a state judge found that more than 1,600 illegal and fraudulent votes were cast in an election decided by a mere 133 votes. (134) In both Wisconsin and Washington, illegal votes may have decided statewide elections in 2004.

....In addition to actual illegal votes, there appears to have been a coordinated effort by members of some organizations to rig the election system through voter registration fraud. Criminal investigations and news reports suggest that thousands of fictional voters such as the now infamous Jive F. Turkey, Sr., Dick Tracy and Mary Poppins were registered to vote. This widespread voter registration fraud was accompanied by an apparently coordinated national litigation strategy to manipulate election laws in battleground states and, specifically, to eliminate the provisions of election law that would prevent vote fraud. If successful, this litigation may have allowed Dick Tracy to vote not once, but twice.


OK, so Dems have driven the hype about voter fraud to insane levels. We all know it's on the rise....right?  How about this report by Demos in 2003 (Link):
The overall conclusion of the report is that election fraud in the United States is low and fraud has had a minimal impact on electoral outcomes.  The report also finds that the important electoral reforms of recent years have not led to increased election fraud and, in some cases, have helped reduce the potential for fraud.

Scary stuff....right?  In a way it is but not because of any voter fraud.  The fact that so many Americans and people around the world actually believe the Dem BS is staggering.
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2006, 10:21:17 PM »
So anyways...


http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenquirer/news/politics/15945949.htm

Apparently robo-callers are being used illegally as well.
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2006, 10:40:12 PM »
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And so it begins. And the polls haven't even opened yet.


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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2006, 10:49:58 PM »
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Originally posted by VOR from chairboys partisan article...
Republicans are so afraid to run on their merits that they continue to resort to dirty tricks.


Afraid to run on their own merits?  "We're not George Bush"...Sure, the dems are truely running on their own merits...
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2006, 10:50:33 PM »
vote early and often!:D

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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2006, 11:02:35 PM »
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Originally posted by FBplmmr
vote early and often!:D


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