Author Topic: Rudder jamming full left ... (Read 906 times)

Jekyll · « **on:** February 20, 2000, 06:52:00 AM »

This was a problem I often experienced when AH first went beta. I'd fly a mission, maybe land safely, then on the next flight I'd suddenly find my rudder jammed on full left.

The problem seemed to go away for a few revisions, but its back in earnest now

One thing I have noticed is that it seems most apparent if I've crashed during the previous mission, and since I fly the stang a lot, crashing is usually the result of losing the rudder and vertical stabiliser. Is it possible that losing those control surfaces, particularly if I have left rudder in at the time of their loss, is causing AH to reset the rudder centre for the next flight????

MS Sidewinder Force Feedback with Simped digital pedals. I've flown a heap of flight sims, and AH is the only one in which I've experienced this problem.

Any help appreciated.

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Pyro · « **Reply #1 on:** February 21, 2000, 08:41:00 PM »

I've never seen those pedals. Do they calibrate normally?

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Jekyll · « **Reply #2 on:** February 22, 2000, 01:33:00 AM »

Yep.. they calibrate just the same as any other set of pedals.

They are fully digital pedals, and take over the operation of the twist handle of the Sidewinder Force Feedback stick.

Best thing about them is that they have no potentiometers, reading the rudder position from a magnetic Hall generator. No moving parts means no parts to wear out

Here are some details on the pedals, with a link to the manufacturer's site.
http://www.joy-stick.net/reviews/other/simped.htm

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Pyro · « **Reply #3 on:** February 22, 2000, 06:55:00 PM »

The next time this happens, can you bring up the clipboard and go into the joystick setup. Examine where the rudder input is and how it's reacting to your inputs.

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Jekyll · « **Reply #4 on:** February 23, 2000, 01:34:00 AM »

Already checked that Pyro. When the rudders lock full left, if I go into the AH joystick setup screen the rudders show as full left.

If I then go into the Win 98 joystick configuration screen the rudders show as being full left there as well. Full right rudder brings them roughly back to neutral.

This has always been a problem I've had with AH, but it has been far more noticeable in 1.03 revision

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Ripsnort · « **Reply #5 on:** February 23, 2000, 08:49:00 AM »

Just thought I'd throw this out as a "potential" problem...if they are magnetic, make sure you don't have a sub-woofer/speaker near them, the magnet on the back of that *could* potentially disrupt any magnetic polarity within the rudders.

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Trips · « **Reply #6 on:** February 23, 2000, 02:24:00 PM »

There might be some interaction between the pedals and the twist handle of the Sidewinder at work here... I'm wondering if you could trigger the problem by holding right pedal and twisting the stick to the right at the same time... if not, then I'm probably barking up the wrong tree here.

Trips

funked · « **Reply #7 on:** February 23, 2000, 04:16:00 PM »

Sounds like a 737 to me!

tshred · « **Reply #8 on:** February 24, 2000, 05:24:00 AM »

I have those same pedals, but use CH sticks with them, haven't had the problem your talking about. You also have an adapter or something to make it work with your MS stick correct? Is it possible the 'adapter', or whatever it is, is malfunctioning? You didn't say wether the rudders are still working with other sims. How you put it makes it sound like Aces is the only one you are using now. My Simpeds have a knob on the base to adjust the initial calibration. Does your's also have this knob? Is it possible it has been turned lately? It's possible it has been disturbed since your original install, and you will need to readjust it in the windows joystick calibration window. Only thing I can think of.

On the way home from work I thought of something else, might be relevant to Ripsnorts problem. Do you use the pedals for any Auto Sims? It's possible the switches on the connector plug are sticking or malfuntioning, so that maybe the gameport is interpreting the signals for brake and gas? Maybe Ripsnorts switch is screwing up as well? Something else to think about. I have used both Simpeds and CH Pro Pedals with AH and have never had any problems.

ts

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Jekyll · « **Reply #9 on:** February 24, 2000, 07:00:00 PM »

I fly other flight sims all the time (WB, DOA, EAW, Falcon 4 etc)

Aces High is the ONLY sim where this problem is showing up.

P.S. My pedals do not have the rotary calibration dial, only the Simped Vario (analogue) pedals have the dial. My pedals are the digital version.

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ra · « **Reply #10 on:** February 24, 2000, 07:46:00 PM »

This is happening to some of us but only in the F4U, so we thought it was an F4U bug. It was posted in the GameBugs forum a couple weeks ago. Jekyll, does this happen with all planes or just the F4U?

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Westy · « **Reply #11 on:** February 27, 2000, 12:53:00 PM »

I also have been having some odd things happen with my CH equipment. The rudder problem in this topic was one I did experience before too. It would usually go away after a few WIN95 recalibrations.
But most noticable recently was an elasticity to the calibration indicators in WIN95 and in AH. The indicator would lag my actual input. Especially the rudders. They acted like they were connected with a bungee cord.
Well I just updated my Diamond MX300 sound card with new Aureal drivers. I use a CH Gamecard for my stuff and had always kept the sound card port disabled.
So when I removed all the old software and drivers and reloaded the new ones and saw that Windows also made me put in the Win95 cdrom and it reloaded the joystick driver all over again too.

My problem is gone. Completely. I have a smooth working stick in the WIN95 and AH
calibration windows.
Folks having problems might try deleting the gameport and reinstalling it. Or reload the
joystick drivers.
Hope it does the trick, as it did for me.

-Westy

Pyro · « **Reply #12 on:** February 28, 2000, 11:57:00 AM »

HT thinks he found the problem that is causing this. It should be fixed in the next version.

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