Turnout

[mosgood]

Originally posted by cav58d
Yes, it is to an enormous degree...Do we not call the elections here in the US the voice and the will of the people? So whats different about Iraq?  I think it is even more significant because of the consequences they faced going into the election....These people very well knew they may face bodily harm or death upon themselves and even their families for simply voting, but they went ahead and did it anyways, because they love their new freedom, and want their country to move forward...

so yes, it is very significant in my book

Personally, I'm skeptical about how long any type of democracy will last in Iraq.  And no, I don't believe it's our job to give it to them in the first place.  The question is "can democracy  be given or does it have to be earned"  and for that matter... who over there wrote the president and ask for democracy in the first place.  I just guess since it's our way... everyone must want that huh?

[cav58d]

8:46...Cav...Out...Beer

Expect interesting responce when I get home =)

[Viking]

Originally posted by cav58d
Because Sadaam invaded the soveirgn nation of Kuwait in 91', and not only raped and pilleaged (sp) the people of the country, but he also threatened a large portion of the worlds oil supply...

That problem was resolved in '91, but next time when a dictator asks you about their conflicts reply with something better than "... we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait".

Originally posted by cav58d
Why?  Because Sadaam continually shot at our aircraft in the no fly zone for a decade...

Your aircraft had no right to operate in Iraqi airspace. The so called no-fly zones were not approved by the UN and was in clear violation of the cease fire agreement with Iraq. The Iraqi state had every right to protect its airspace.

Originally posted by cav58d
why?  Because Sadaam tried to put forth a plot to assisanate a former US President...

Says who? Oh, the same people that said Iraq had WMD … right. The only nation I know of that has tried to assassinate a national leader is the USA. Not very subtlety either, but even if you failed at least you got his wife and daughter.

Originally posted by cav58d
Why?  Because Bill Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Madeline Ablright, John Kerry and John Kennedy all said sadaam had WMDs prior to 9/11, in 1998...

Oh, and that's a good reason to go to war?

Originally posted by cav58d
why?  Because Sadaam has been the biggest thorn in the side of the world....

Funny, I seem to remember the majority of the world's nations were against this war.

[cav58d]

Originally posted by Viking
WAHH WAHH POOR SADAAM...POOR POOR SADAAM


Funny, I seem to remember the majority of the world's nations were against this war.

The majority of the worlds nations were also against taking any action against Hitler in the early 30's, so that just goes to show how much the majority of the world knows, huh?

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by cav58d
I'm sorry but you are dead wrong thrawn...Whether its 72% or 58%, it shows that a majority of the population believes in the democratic process and is willing to risk their life,

You don't know that at all.  All you know is: that the premise of your hypothesis is wrong.  Iraqis don't vote more than Americans; and that about %50 of Iraqis voted in the last election.  You don't have a good whoopee clue why those %50 percent voted.  You can guess, but that's all it will be, a guess...unless of course you have some data that you have yet to show us.

so it can suceed...I know that sucess in Iraq, and freedom for the Iraqi people is bad news for you liberals, but the truth speaks for itself...Deal with it

You are building false conclusions on top of your false conclusions.


About %50 of Iraqis voted.  - Demostrably True

They voted because they believe in democracy.  - Not demonstrated

Because they believe in democracy it will succeed.  - We dont' know that they believe in democracy


So we can't know tha your arguement is true, it ain't proven.


You really should look at this voter stuff in context of Iraq.  A large chunk (saw a number that said %80) apparently didn't vote.  You could have all the Kurds and Shia vote and you would still be in **** town.  When a big enough united block of a country feels disinfranchised in a democracy, things aren't going to "succeed".  You might be familiar with your own countries histroy with this vis a vis your Civil War.

Now go read a book on critical thought processes.  

[Viking]

Originally posted by cav58d
The majority of the worlds nations were also against taking any action against Hitler in the early 30's, so that just goes to show how much the majority of the world knows, huh?

Back so soon? And drunk already I see. I though you wouldn't be able to defend your position; I was right. I also though you were interested in a serious discussion; I was wrong. I see now that you are unable to conduct one.

[john9001]

Thrawn, why do YOU think the Iraqis voted? They must have had some reason, what do YOU think it was?