Turnout

[cav58d]

I'm not doubting we have made mistakes in Iraq, but I just can't see how anyone can call it a failure, and I would like one of you libs to explain this too me....

If Iraq is such a failure, why, in the face of serious bodily harm or death, have there been larger per capita turnouts for democratic elections in iraq, then we have ever seen here in the US?

[Viking]

Is election turnout in Iraq the measure of success?

[cav58d]

Yes, it is to an enormous degree...Do we not call the elections here in the US the voice and the will of the people? So whats different about Iraq?  I think it is even more significant because of the consequences they faced going into the election....These people very well knew they may face bodily harm or death upon themselves and even their families for simply voting, but they went ahead and did it anyways, because they love their new freedom, and want their country to move forward...

so yes, it is very significant in my book

[nirvana]

I personally wouldn't call the need for armed military at polling places a success if you are going to relate it to voting.  

From my coniberal stand point, the continued loss of life because of the Bush administration's constant intelligence oopsies has driven people up the walls.  One of these would be the WMD's, They don't exist (or never did) but heck, we're already over there so why not get rid of Saddam Hussein, which did happen, and try to democratize the Middle East?  I believe what some people see as a great step to democracy in the Mid East, others see as a waste of life for people who don't care.

Just my view though.

[Vudak]

Hindsight is 20/20...  But can anyone really say that invading Iraq was even close to necessary?

Compared to some of the other nations over there, Iraq seems like a huge waste of time.

Again though, hindsight is 20/20.

[Stang]

The Neocons salivated for a decade between the Gulf War and current Iraq adventure to invade Iraq.  9/11 gave them an excuse to do so.

[Airscrew]

If Iraq is such a failure, why, in the face of serious bodily harm or death, have there been larger per capita turnouts for democratic elections in iraq, then we have ever seen here in the US?

I want to know why, with no threat of bodily harm or death, voter turn out is not higher in the US?

Texas has approximately 12,385,887 registered voters.  i counted up the total votes for govenor and only 4,386,159 votes cast,  what were the other 8 million voters doing.   thats sad really

[john9001]

Originally posted by Vudak
..  But can anyone really say that invading Iraq was even close to necessary?
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why don't you ask an Iraqi if the invasion was necessary. ask one whose family was tortured and killed by the madman saddam. ask the Kurds, ask Kuwaitis, ask Iran, ask the she-ites.

[cav58d]

Originally posted by Airscrew
If Iraq is such a failure, why, in the face of serious bodily harm or death, have there been larger per capita turnouts for democratic elections in iraq, then we have ever seen here in the US?

I want to know why, with no threat of bodily harm or death, voter turn out is not higher in the US?

Texas has approximately 12,385,887 registered voters.  i counted up the total votes for govenor and only 4,386,159 votes cast,  what were the other 8 million voters doing.   thats sad really

2 be brutally honest, I think it has to do with the fact that American's have settled for the status qou, and are way to comfortable with what they have....There is no denying that the majority of people in Iraq love freedom, and i'm still waiting for someone to actually respond to the per capita turnout

[Stang]

Originally posted by john9001
why don't you ask an Iraqi if the invasion was necessary. ask one whose family was tortured and killed by the madman saddam. ask the Kurds, ask Kuwaitis, ask Iran, ask the she-ites.

Ask one of the at least 150,000 dead's family members since the invasion while you're at it.

[cav58d]

Stang answer the question...What does that voter turnout tell you?

[Stang]

I agree with you on the Iraqi voter turnout, especially since it was a potentially fatal thing to participate in.  It's far more sad here that poeple don't care and a 40% turnout is considered "high."  lmao.

However, just because they've had a few votes doesn't mean the adventure has been a success.  That point is painfully obvious every day.

[Thrawn]

Saddam got a huge voter turn out as well.  

You know what that tells us, that tells us that voter turn out without context doesn't mean squat about how free/peaceful/progressive a country is.

[Stang]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Saddam got a huge voter turn out as well.  
 

That's not a fair comparison at all.  The people had a choice and were not threatened by the government in the post-invasion votes.  With Saddam, they damn sure were and had no choice.

[Gh0stFT]

Originally posted by cav58d
I'm not doubting we have made mistakes in Iraq, but I just can't see how anyone can call it a failure, and I would like one of you libs to explain this too me...

1.Mission necessity,
2.promises made,
3.nothing found, goals? why?
4.search for answers,
5.meanwhile deads, deads, deads...
6.goto 2