Disgusting Shame!

[bsdaddict]

Originally posted by cav58d
Say what you will about me...And if you ever said it in a threatening way to me or my family, especially at a funeral, you'd wish you were never born....got that?

[Yeager]

I believe in the right of these people to protest these funerals in the dusgusting and reprehensible manner in which they do, but I would be terribly sympathetic  as a juror to whomever might temporarily lose their sanity in the process of killing one or more of these protestors.

[bsdaddict]

Originally posted by midnight Target
See how easy it is to start losing your civil liberties... just pick the most disagreeable use of those liberties and start whittling away.

no comment, just bears repeating...

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Freedom of speech does not mean they have the right to protest at funerals.

Depends if the funeral is on private or public land.  If it's on public land, than yeah, the government can't limit thier speach unless the government can prove that the intent of the speach is cause immeninet danger.  If it's on private land than it's up the the owner of the land if he wants yahoos pissing off his customers.

For a conservative moderate you sure like to take away property owner's freedoms.

All speech is not free and is not protected. In fact, what they do qualifies as hate speech, and is not protected at all.

But it should be.  Up here we have a law against advocating genocide based on race, religion, sexual preference etc.  Last time I checked (about six months ago) you guys didn't have any hate speach laws.

The 1st Amendment does not protect you from getting your bellybutton whipped for being a jerk at a funeral, and it shouldn't.

Yeah, that's why they have laws against assult.

[Shuckins]

Speech isn't, and never has been, completely unrestricted.  State and federal governments both have laws restricting forms of speech that endanger innocent lives or incite bystanders to commit violence.

The families attending the funeral of a loved one have a right to privacy.  While not specifically stated in the Constitution, the Supreme Court has ruled in several cases that the right to privacy exists.  The ruling in Roe v. Wade is but one example.

So, why should the right to free speech supercede the right to privacy?

In addition, if I were to attend the funeral of a gay man who had died of AIDS and loudly proclaimed that he had gotten the fate that he deserved, some of you would be singing a different tune altogether.

[BlueJ1]

Question,

Awhile back there were those mothers on the news stations that had lost their sons in either Afghanistan or Iraq. All were complaining and using their freedom of speech correctly. Now if a mother of a fallen soldier decides to have one of these rally things at his funeral would that be disallowed under the law?



Even tho I strongly disagree with these people, I have a understanding that it is  their freedom of speech. Id rather have them with posters and words, then doing something worse such as disgracing a soldiers gravestone or a monument. God help them if they ever show up when Im around.

[bsdaddict]

Originally posted by cav58d
For all of you who support this rhetoric, and say it is well within their guranteed rights....Well as sinnical (sp) as this may be 2 say...Maybe they should show up at the funeral of one of your dead ones then....we'll see how you like that

I wouldn't like it at all.  a barricade of bikers would sure come in handy.  doubt anyone would get curbed though, definately not by me.  I'm not defending what they're doing.  it's despicable.  they have serious issues.  kinda like people who curb people over words.

[The_Marine]

I believe they have a right to say what they want, but I do not like it. It angered me so much I sent them a letter which I copied for all to read.

"What the **** is wrong with you people? You honestly think our soldiers deserve to die? If it were not for them EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU WOULDVE BEEN KILLED FOR YOUR BELIEFS. Do you not understand that. I agree there are certain people in the world who DO deserve to die, about 100 actually, they are all part of the Westboro Baptist Church. Your all a bunch of ****in freaks. THANK GOD, for 9/11? Dead soldiers? Ill tel you what we need to thank God for, OUR LIVES, OUR RIGHTS, and that there are people willing to defend out rights. Also for the time when the Westboro Baptist Church is no more. May God have mercy on your souls, Pray you dont rot in hell. Even though you deserve it.

From a 15 year old, who was left nearly ready to cry from anger because of YOUR stupidity, your idiotic messages, THE DEATHS OF THE VICTIMS OF WAR, 9/11, THE OKLAHOMA BOMBING, EVERYONE. I'm a future Marine, an I can say I honestly hate you people.

With Much Hate
-Daniel Joseph Lee Johnston *<--Side Note fo AH forums That IS my FULL Real name, I honestly hope they come  find me*

PS * Lot of info Im not gonna post on here, has adress phone # I REALLY want them to come find me, I guarentee I win the fight (Hooray for shotguns ne1?)* PLEASE if you have a problem with me, or soldiers, come find me, I'll be waiting."

[Vudak]

First off, I don't advocate anyone getting curbed, or killed, over ANYTHING they say.

However, I feel that this whole picketing of funerals is pretty darn close to yelling "fire!" at a theatre.  Sure, protesters say things that incite all the time, but when you're dealing with grieving people who've just lost their loved ones...  Well, the police are there for a reason.

I realize police show up for all sorts of protests, but there's a big difference between screaming "bush is a [insert whatever here]" in the middle of a city street during a protest and screaming "Your son is going to hell" at a funeral.  In the former, citizens can (and should) be expected to deal with it without resorting to violence.  At a funeral though...  No.

Really though, if someone did snap and harm or kill one of these nutjobs during a funeral, I think any state would have a damn hard time finding a jury to convict the mourner (if it even got that far without first being pardoned).

[Slash27]

Originally posted by bsdaddict
I wouldn't like it at all.  a barricade of bikers would sure come in handy.  doubt anyone would get curbed though, definately not by me.  I'm not defending what they're doing.  it's despicable.  they have serious issues.  kinda like people who curb people over words.

Its not words its thier actions. Thats obvious. I would not condone curbing any of these a-holes but Im sure that was more for effect from Cav than anything else. There is also no doubt these people are in need of a serious bellybutton kicking.

[Sixpence]

Can't the cops PC them til the funeral is over for their own safety? Could be a loophole so you wouldn't need a law?

[Yknurd]

I also advocate senseless and unwarranted violence and death to those who are tactless while taking advantage of their first amendment.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by bsdaddict
um, maybe you haven't heard, but physically assaulting, possibly killing someone   when they didn't PHYSICALLY assault you first or you're not otherwise in fear of your life is a crime.  it has various names, depending on various circumstances and outcomes.  

 
I'd surely get hurt pretty badly and possibly an unlucky few in the mob who happened to be caught on camera would go to jail.  or not, I might just get looked at like a loonatic.  wouldn't mean I'd have been perfectly within my rights.

Yes but by using that free speach you would have not only suffered the consequences. however illegal those consequences were of exercising those rights.

Then you might also be charged with inciting a riot. Probably also disturbing the peace
Just because you have the right to use your free speach  and because of its use doesnt mean the resulting assault would not be of your own making

[Heater]

take every one of the mother****ers out and shoot them

[Saintaw]

See Rule #7