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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #45 on: November 09, 2006, 08:44:57 AM »
You do not have the right to incite a riot.   You do not have the right to use "fighting words"

the use of "fighting words" has been good enough reason for a person to assuault you.   It is like if a person came up to you and screamed at you that your mom was a potato... he won't stop... he follows you and continues... at some point you knock him on his butt...  Your defense would be that he used "fighting words"  that his intent was to anger you and that you were forced into the fight.

That is what is going on here.   their intent is to disrupt and anger people who are at an emotional time in their life..   If they merely had a parade (after getting the permits)  then they would be no worse than the KKK or whatever.

Another example is as was said... blacks are extremely sensitive to the n word..  either real or pretend... If you were to scream that word in a group of em then you would be inciteing them to violence.

I am sure that, on on one... I could make that "religious" group angry enough to take a swing at me.  I wouldn't allow them to anger me under normal circumstances....but...

That is not the case if they were to do that at a loved ones funeral... I would not be in control of my emotions and they would be responsible for my attack on them...  Law is the "reasonable man"....   I think that any judge or jury would say that a reasonable man would become enraged enough that he would be unable to control himself enough to not beat the crap out of these people.

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« Reply #46 on: November 09, 2006, 08:59:22 AM »
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That is not the case if they were to do that at a loved ones funeral... I would not be in control of my emotions and they would be responsible for my attack on them...  Law is the "reasonable man"....   I think that any judge or jury would say that a reasonable man would become enraged enough that he would be unable to control himself enough to not beat the crap out of these people.

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Happened here already. Friends of mine beat them up at their squadmates funeral. The judge asked if it was post-traumatic stress disorder that caused it. They said yes. Case dismissed.

God bless Texas.

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« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2006, 09:07:01 AM »
yep indy... but that asside.. the law does operate on the principal of the "reasonable man"  that may change as sociatal attitudes about things change..  for instance... it is no longer "reasonable" to drag a black man behind your car because of the way he looked at some white woman but..

I believe that most reasonable men of today would say that the "religious" group in question was asking for it.

My proof is the strong emotion a lot of people posting are using.  

I agree that blue areas may soon think that it is free speech to disrupt funerals.   Perhaps that is the way the country is going but...

We ain't there yet... not in most of the country anyway.

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« Reply #48 on: November 09, 2006, 11:15:51 AM »
In 1994, a woman tried to run down protesters in Topeka after one of them screamed obscenities at her while her pick-up truck was parked at a stop light. She was arrested, but was later found not guilty due to temporary insanity.

n 2003, WBC member Charles Hockenbarger, who was in his 70s at the time, had his face crushed in a beating after standing on a street corner holding a sign reading "THANK GOD FOR SEPT. 11". Hockenbarger was recovering from open heart surgery at the time and ignoring the usual doctor's orders for bed rest. Westboro posted photos of the aftermath of the attack on its homepage, claiming that the (still unidentified) perpetrator was a homosexual and that the attack had been part of a murder conspiracy to kill Hockenbarger, though offering no proof of these allegations
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« Reply #49 on: November 09, 2006, 12:04:28 PM »
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"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire


Freedom of speech is great. Too bad it's being limited to nonreligious subjects. Little doubt it will be limited to only approved PC subjects as time passes.

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« Reply #50 on: November 09, 2006, 12:40:01 PM »
WHAT THE ****!!!

I MADE COMMENTS AND CONDUCTED A THREAD?!!!

THIS IS ****ING RIDICULOUS!!!

And provided a link to source the information!!

I provided more personal views in my thread then that of the Airplane Design, and it's still up!!
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Trouble no one about their religion;
respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours.
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« Reply #51 on: November 09, 2006, 12:43:13 PM »
Your "right" to make a fist ends at my nose.

You may exercise your right to "free" speech.  If they had shown up at my fathers funeral and "spoke" their "liberty" then I must say I would have violated the "fist" right.

What they are doing is hurtful and shameful.

Hmmm...flag burning....

If you want to buy or make a flag and burn it as an expression then fine, do so.  If you want to run my flag down my flag pole and burn it, then you will have a problem.  By "my flag" I am referring to the one I fly at my home.  I am also referring to my flag which is flown at my courthouse, post office, federal building, etc.

I think it was in Dallas Texas, some years ago, where some folks ran a flag down at someone else's property and burned it.  They were charged with felony theft of private property.  I think it was a rather large flag costing around $500.  Belonged to a hotel or other business.
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« Reply #52 on: November 09, 2006, 12:44:51 PM »
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WHAT THE ****!!!

I MADE COMMENTS AND CONDUCTED A THREAD?!!!

THIS IS ****ING RIDICULOUS!!!
 


This is sure to fix everything

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« Reply #53 on: November 09, 2006, 12:45:15 PM »
Disturbing the peace is not freedom of speech!
What they are doing is illegal on so many levels, and if they weren't hiding under the "war protest" umbrella, they would all be in jail, or heavily fined.

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« Reply #54 on: November 09, 2006, 12:47:59 PM »
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WHAT THE ****!!!

I MADE COMMENTS AND CONDUCTED A THREAD?!!!

THIS IS ****ING RIDICULOUS!!!

And provided a link to source the information!!

I provided more personal views in my thread then that of the Airplane Design, and it's still up!!
And everytime you circumvent the language filter your post will get neutered.  Either post within the rules of the bulletin board or do not post at all.  You made the choice to ignore the rules.  You have no one to blame but yourself for ignoring the rules.

EDIT:  And Nate is quite right.
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« Reply #55 on: November 09, 2006, 01:59:12 PM »
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« Reply #56 on: November 09, 2006, 02:02:33 PM »
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Say what you will about me...And if you ever said it in a threatening way to me or my family, especially at a funeral, you'd wish you were never born....got that?


(several minutes of laughing hysterically)

Online rambos cant be taken seriously, what's more...you're from Connecticut


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I swear, you kids just go too far with the comedy these days.

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« Reply #57 on: November 09, 2006, 02:27:51 PM »
I don't see how being from Connecticut has anything to do with it?
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« Reply #58 on: November 09, 2006, 02:41:11 PM »
Dont confuse free speech issues with that which you find "disturbing".

If someone is WILLFULLY disturbing your peace, no matter what time of day or where, they can be arrested, if; the offense is committed in the presence of the police, or if the police are not there, via citizens arrest (837PC in Cali). Once a citizens arrest is made, its a felony for the police to refuse to take your prisoner.

Otherwise the police stay away from free speech issues for 1 reason, on duty cops cant legally be offended by ANY speech... you can call a white guy a nazi, or tease anyone about their race on top of insulting their momma, sister, wife... whatever. As long as its not a threat, cops have no official opinion and cannot have their peace disturbed while on duty.

Thats why I advocate "mob justice" for these people, a mob needs to open a can of punk-rock whoopass and summarily beat them down to shut them up.

Even the biggest loudmouth on the planet cant talk with a boot in his, or her mouth.

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« Reply #59 on: November 09, 2006, 02:50:05 PM »
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I don't see how being from Connecticut has anything to do with it?


plus we've seen his guns...