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« on: November 08, 2006, 10:29:30 PM »
This is probably something a majority of you have never done.....


Here's a little trip down memory lane about the United States of America.
Here a list of the Presidents, with links to their annual reports / State of the union speeches.


They are very interesting reading.  One interesting tidbit was the LBJ speeches during the Vietnam war.


Anyway, enjoy... if you find anything interesting to discuss from a speech  - post it here... After reading some of these..it's  really funny "how quickly we forget". I wonder if that's something to do with the selfishness of the majority of individuals.

Presidential Speeches

Also - Roosevelt's 1945 SOTU speech is pretty interesting.
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2006, 10:39:37 PM »
nice find!

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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2006, 10:51:00 PM »
this is a good one, from Washington's first report, addressing the House of Representatives.

"The welfare of our country is the great object to which our cares and efforts ought to be directed, and I shall derive great satisfaction from a cooperation with you in the pleasing though arduous task of insuring to our fellow citizens the blessings which they have a right to expect from a free, efficient, and equal government."

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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2006, 10:56:18 PM »
I jumped straight to Jefferson...  :)  from his first innaugural address:

"All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression."

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go Tom!
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2006, 11:04:41 PM »
more from the same speech:

"with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens--a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities."

music to my ears...  :D

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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2006, 11:10:09 PM »
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Originally posted by bsdaddict
more from the same speech:

" and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned.
 



ooh a good tax quote :)

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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2006, 11:12:01 PM »
This sounds familiar: 1938 - FDR:


 Mr. Speaker, Mr. President, Members of the Senate and the House fo Representatives, in addressing the Congress on the state fo the union present facts and future hazards demand that I speak clearly and earnestly of the causes which underlie events of profound concern to all.

In spite of clear determination of this nation for peace, it has become clear that acts and policies of nations in other parts of the world have far-reaching effects not only upon their immediate neighbors but also upon us.

I am thankful that I can tell you that our nation is at peace. It has been kept at peace despite provocations which in other days, because of their seriousness, could well have engendered war. The people of the United States and the Government of the United States have shown capacity for restraint and a civilized approach to the purposes of peace, while at the same time we maintain the integrity inherent in the sovereignty of 1300,000,000 people, lest we weaken or destroy our influence for peace and jeopardize the sovereignty itself.

It is our traditional policy to live at peace with other nations. More than that, we have been among the leaders in advocating the use of pacific methods of discussion and conciliation in international differences. We have striven for the reduction of military forces.

But in a world of high tension and disorder, in a world where stable civilization is actually threatened, it becomes the responsibility of each nation which strives for peace at home and peace with and among others to be strong enough to assure the observance of those fundamentals of peaceful solution of conflicts which are the only ultimate basis for orderly existence.

Resolute in our determination to respect the rights of others, and to command respect for the rights of ourselves, we must keep ourselves adequately strong in self-defense.

There is a trend in the world away from the observance both of the letter and the spirit of treaties. We propose to observe, as we have in the past, our own treaty obligations; but we cannot be certain of reciprocity on the part of others.

Disregard for treaty obligations seems to have followed the surface trend away from the democratic representative form of government. It would seem, therefore, that world peace through international agreements is most safe in the hands of democratic representative governments- or, in other words, peace is most greatly jeopardized in and by those nations where democracy has been discarded or has never developed.


I have used the words "surface trend," for I still believe that civilized man increasingly insists, and in the long run will insist, on genuine participation in his own government. Our people believe that over the years democracies of the world will survive, and democracy will be restored or established in those nations which today know it or not. In that faith lies the future peace of mankind.

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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2006, 11:26:53 PM »
never liked FDR...  hard to fault prepping us for ww2 though, ulterior motives aside...
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2006, 09:01:26 AM »
Jefferson and TR were the best presidents and Americans... FDR, LBJ and lincoln were the worst and have done the most to destroy America.  

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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2006, 09:32:32 AM »
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Jefferson and TR were the best presidents and Americans... FDR, LBJ and lincoln were the worst and have done the most to destroy America.  

 :D

 Bush comes close to my bottom 3 though.  History will tell,  the policies he enabled are ripe for abuse...

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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2006, 10:28:12 AM »
Finished Roosevelt's 1945 SOTU speech you recommended...  Started off well, almost lost me when he got into the selective service act, but then redeemed himself with this gem...

"It is only too easy for all of us to rationalize what we want to believe, and to consider those leaders we like responsible and those we dislike irresponsible. And our task is not helped by stubborn partisanship, however understandable on the part of opposed internal factions."

The he lost me again going on about his (socialist) Economic Bill of Rights.

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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2006, 11:28:16 AM »
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Jefferson and TR were the best presidents and Americans... FDR, LBJ and lincoln were the worst and have done the most to destroy America.  

lazs


I agree!  Lincoln destroyed America almost single-handedly!

Oh wait...

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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2006, 11:29:41 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2006, 11:08:36 AM »
urchin... lincoln made a tough decision... he decided that destroying states rights was the price that had to be paid to hold the union together.

agree or disagree with his decision... he did more to destroy states rights (and the spirit of the constituion) than anyone in our history.

FDR and LBJ did their part by taxation and federal programs that were madatory for the states.

We now have a country where people who live in sardine cans are voting on what people who live in the country need and or/ are allowed to do.

Red and Blue instead of blue and grey.  I would love it if each state had it's own laws that were seperate from the federal ones and only had to meet constitutional interpretations.   I also think that if a state wishes to seceede it should be able to under the constitution.

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« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2006, 11:59:20 AM »