Any old pilots wana help a newbie learn to set up and fly?

[UPSMan]

Hey everyone, I just got the joystick from walmart and tried to use it, I think the settings are off cause the plane keeps wanting to pull up and the damn buzzer is always going off!! it drives me nuts! What am I doing wrong? Is there anyone out there who would love to get on Ventrilo or Teamspeak and walk me through the proper flying and setting up of the joysticks etc? Id really appreciate it! Ill turn on my AIM and Yahoo and Xfire for help! THanks

AIM:Niche79
yahoo:flairforceguy
xfire:accord

[Schatzi]

UPSMan, I dont have neither Team Speak nor Ventrilo, but AH has a inbuild voice transmitting code that works great.

If you want to, i can help you get set up and sorted.




When will you be online?

[UPSMan]

im online right now, though ive never actually logged onto the game, just did offline practice trying to get used to the game. Im on my laptop, its right next to me so I will just hit refresh when you respond.

THanks

[Schatzi]

Hello UPS!


Im in the Training Arena now (Online). Whats you ingame name?


(use / key on US keboard ingame to open chat and type, ENTER sends message).

[UPSMan]

hold on , i just see the diff online places like large or 8 person etc. Let me find it but i logged on with UPSMan

[UPSMan]

ok i found the training room online,  but im the only one in here;(

[Schatzi]

There are three modes of AH:

- offline play: just you and the target drones circling the base
- 8-player mode: this is a free service of HT, where players can host their own rooms (max 8 people can join) - its online, but you dont pay (you can also play 8-player mode in LAN)
- Online: The big arenas (server hosted) where the big brawl runs. You need to pay for this (or be on two week trial). Choose online and select Training Arena from the list.

[UPSMan]

thanks so much for your help, i just think that the joystick is much much to sensitive that i can bearly touch it and i either black out or red out! I just dont think the game is worth 15 dollars a month, it is no where on the level of world of warcraft! But once again, I appreciate your help so much!

Your friend

The UPS man

[Schatzi]

Youre welcome UPSMan!


As i told you in game, the stick should NOT be that touchy. Try unplugging and replugging it, recalibrate in windows, then recheck your scaling and recalibrate in game as well.

This is the link i was talking about: http://www.netaces.org//joystick.pdf

Joystick settings..... I know people ask again and again, what the good sticks have as settings and use them for themselves. While this gives you an idea what to do, settings depend so much on your stick brand, how worn out it is, your personal preferences.... Ill try to explain the basics of the settings to you, maybe giving you the possibility to find your own, personal "favorite stick settings".
 
First of all, youll have to set the settings sliders, as well as deadband and damping for each axis seperatly. Select the axis you want to work on and then check the ADVANCED box. Make sure the advanced tab shows the axis you are adjusting in the upper right corner.
 
What you also should know about scaling: It will NOT affect your overall range of motion… it will only add time delay to the movements, smoothen them out thus. You can watch the lines in the blue box move – raw (unscaled) and scaled… 45% stick deflection will still be 45% input – but the time it takes to get there is different.

Deadband: This is the easiest of all. As little as possible - as much as neccessary. Deadband depicts the “dead area” around the center position of the stick, where movement is not recognised as input yet. If you have your Joystick spiking, if you notice autopilot being thrown off without you moving the stick, youll need to raise it.
Also, if you use a Twisty Rudder, you might want to add some dead band on that axis to avoid unintentional input in the heat of a fight.
 
Damping: This adds an overall 'sluggishness' to your JS inputs, like a small temporal delay added to the reaction to stick input. Depending, if you have a rather light hand on your stick youll probably want this to be as low as possible (I got mine all at the way down, about ½ slider width from the bottom). If you feel your input is too touchy overall, raise this slider.
Also, if you get a “don’t move your controls so rapidly” a lot: Try recalibrating your stick – if this doesn’t help, adding some damping sometimes does.
 
 Now to the Individual Sliders to the right. Those "scale" your stick input. Meaning, the time delay added to the input is only on part of the motion range (in 10% of the motion range for each, since you have ten sliders). The higher the sliders are, the more immediate is the input. This makes for a very fine control, but also a skitterish one and maybe (some planes more, some less) an unstable nose (“nose bounce”). All the way down makes for a very smooth, but also sluggish response.

 
I dont know your preferences. If you prefer to have a very fine control that needs a light hand and might be a little touchy, i recommend you start out with all sliders maxed out at the top. Then adjust from there, lowering the first few in a staircase way to soften any heavy nose bounce you might encounter. For Elevator, I have the first four sliders stair-cased, starting about half an inch from top. For rudder I have the first and the last 3 slightly lowered (also staircase), since I was using a rocker rudder with a small range of motion – also added 1/2 inch of damping on that. Roll axis is all maxed out, since it doesn’t come into play with nose bounce. (ill attach screenies from my old stick setup)
 
If you dont like your controls that touchy (or if your joystick doesnt "allow" this minute input - ie you just keep stalling all over the place) I recommend you start out from a staircase (first slider 1/3 – 1/2 down).
Like AKAK shows in his stick settings http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/stickscale.zip (the zip also contains great info on gunnery and energy)
 
I hope this rather long winded explanations makes sense to you and helps you finding your own settings. Maybe you also want to check out the explanation for stick settings at netaces, heres the link: http://www.netaces.org//joystick.pdf


 Or if you have any more questions, ask me on Saturday.

[FBplmmr]

Originally posted by UPSMan
thanks so much for your help, i just think that the joystick is much much to sensitive that i can bearly touch it and i either black out or red out! I just dont think the game is worth 15 dollars a month, it is no where on the level of world of warcraft! But once again, I appreciate your help so much!

Your friend

The UPS man

lol translated "i am spastic and I think I like spongebob squarepants much better than the History channel"

[FLS]

This isn't a fantasy game like WoW. You have to learn the basics of real flying.  It sounds like you are trying to push your plane too hard instead of flying it within it's limits. If the only stick problems you have are redouts, blackouts, and the stall buzzer, then the  problem isn't your joystick. Go to netaces.org or trainers.hitechcreations.com and read up on how to fly. AH is a lot of fun and everybody has the same weapons and armor.

[Schatzi]

Originally posted by FLS
This isn't a fantasy game like WoW. You have to learn the basics of real flying.  It sounds like you are trying to push your plane too hard instead of flying it within it's limits. If the only stick problems you have are redouts, blackouts, and the stall buzzer, then the  problem isn't your joystick. Go to netaces.org or trainers.hitechcreations.com and read up on how to fly. AH is a lot of fun and everybody has the same weapons and armor.

FLS, his problem IS stick... its way too touchy. Me thinks calibration is still off.

[UPSMan]

Yah, responding to the i need to learn to fly. Sorry bro, im good on that area, Have hoped in and flown the real simulators that  they teach the US military with before and never crashed the plane, I have my own R/C airplane which helped alot. The controls on this were just too touchy, ill try to put a ton of deadband in for one more go, but this is nothing like real life, our pilots in the military would crash nonstop cause of how you could blow on mine and would red out or blackout. This Saitek joystick is like OMG dont even touch me or grab me or your screwed, So once again schatzi, way to watch out for me and look out, ill be signing on later to fly again.

thanks:aok

[FLS]

Deadband won't help. Scaling is what you might need to set but it seems like your current problem is more than a scaling issue. A lot of people use Saitek sticks without problems so it's likely yours can be fixed too. Check your calibration, you should see full control input in setup matching full stick deflection. Check this in Windows first and then in AH.