Author Topic: Skuzzie's Vista post (Read 950 times)

jigsaw · « **Reply #15 on:** November 15, 2006, 03:25:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Windows has always gotten in my way. Pain in the tushy. I can get more done, faster using a command-line, than any GUI based OS.

Amen. People give me funny looks when I open a dos prompt to do things, until they see how long it takes. Typically the next thing I get is "How did you do that?"

Rolex · « **Reply #16 on:** November 15, 2006, 08:12:32 AM »

Pretty amazing that you can do this for free on a low-end machine with 512 MB of RAM, but Vista will need Gigs and Gigs to do so much less... for hundreds of dollars.

Deth7 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 15, 2006, 12:58:14 PM »

"I dare say XP is better than 98SE, especially in memory and stability."

I use rambooster, a free program that manages ram and clears it out before a crash occurs, or at desktop you can manually clear ram.

They're gonna have to pry 98SE from my comp

Irwink! · « **Reply #18 on:** November 15, 2006, 01:43:21 PM »

C'mon people. Vista's gonna be really cool. Microsoft says so. What better excuse for buying a new box? We must look on the bright side. So many negative waves here...

Charon · « **Reply #19 on:** November 15, 2006, 03:29:36 PM »

DOS was great. Simple. Easy to use, easy to understand. config.sys and autoexec.bat vs. registry any day. Memory was a bit of a ***** early on, but I actually managed to perfectly set the load order in config.sys and autoexec.bat (and the manual "loadhi" command -- DOS 5? Dos 6?) to get Aces of the Pacific to run without a boot disk and with all of the other drivers I normally used loaded. I spent many hours freeing up about the last 2k or 3k of that magical 640. Then EMM386 even eliminated that quibble.

Gaming became very stable by the DOS 6 era then less stable under direct X (Win 95 etc.) until at least 98SE, if not XP. I'm not looking forward to Vista at all, and will have to be forced into it eventually.

Charon

Bronk · « **Reply #20 on:** November 16, 2006, 06:10:36 AM »

Yet another reason not to buy vista.
A nice liitle clause in the EULA. You are only alowed ONE (1) transfer to a new pc you build. Unlike Xp wich if you remove it from your old pc you can swap indefinitly.

Also there is some funky stuff about upgrading.

This was in the latest issue of maximum pc.

Holy watermelon guess MS is realy out to screw pc gamers over.

Bronk

FOGOLD · « **Reply #21 on:** November 16, 2006, 11:44:52 AM »

This is all elitist BS. If all we had was a command prompt nobody would be playing the games we have and nobodyoutside the workplace would be using PC's.

Windows 95 was a revolution. I certainly hated DOS and wouldn't be playing AH if Win 95 hadn't come along.

5 years from now everyone will be using Vista and whinging about the next one coming along!

Carry on and make AH run only at a prompt, I'll see you all at the insolvency sale!:rolleyes:

Skuzzy · « **Reply #22 on:** November 16, 2006, 12:24:31 PM »

Try decaf. There is nothing elitest about wanting to actually be able to control your own hardware. It is not elitest to want to be able to configure the system the way you want to configure it. It is not elitest to want to be able to actually know what is going on with your computer.

It is practcal. Not elitest. Vista is very impractical and a waste of resources better used to run any given application. And there is actually no technical benefit to it. That is the big one. At least with XP, there were good solid technical reasons to upgrade from 98/ME.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #23 on:** November 16, 2006, 01:01:35 PM »

Windows 95 was a revolution? In what fantasy dimension? It didnt eliminate DOS (which is what Microsoft promised), it merely made a shell that overlaid it. The interface was very imperfect too. Win 95 simply gave the illusion (and a poor, pale one at that) of what Mac users had been experiencing for some time. A 32 bit operating system without the limitations of Microsoft's 640k barrier. Windows 95 was a fraud perpetrated on the American public. Even OS/2 was leaps and bounds ahead of Windows, but suffered from hardware compatibility problems and a lukewarm support system. If IBM had given a bit of enthusiasm to pushing Warp, and tried a little harder to include a wider range of device drivers, things might have been very different. Bill Gates found his strength in the same place Wal Mart has found theirs. Convenience.

Fast forward to today. He's still selling the same crap to people, just with a fancier wrapping and more tape and string sealing it up. No thanks. XP is as far as I go.

FOGOLD · « **Reply #24 on:** November 16, 2006, 05:05:34 PM »

You are right of course, and I accept that Windows vista won't add much to XP. XP was a big step forward from 95/98/ME. I would as soon stick with XP, but if DX10 becomes a must have which it will what then?

For me personally Win 95 made messing about with PC's accesible and fun. Also it was about then that gaming became really exciting with half life etc.

I found DOS a nightmare cos I'm not a trained PC person. Apple did it first it's accepted. Linux must be the future for a stripped down gaming system with reasonable GUI, but what about Direct X? Direct X is where Microsoft have got us by the gonads.

I'm not trying to be offensive about "elitism" but DOS was a real programmers language. Ordinary people could never get to grips with that stuff. PC gaming has got to be accesible to survive or else go X-Box/ PS3 (maybe not such a bad idea?)

There must be a way to maintain control over you PC for the masses. XP isn't too bad to mess with, I actually think Linux is the way to go if we can escape the shackles of Direct X.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #25 on:** November 16, 2006, 05:10:27 PM »

Because MS has chosen to keep DX10 specific to Vista, it will slow the number of titles which are DX10 only to a handful for a fair number of years (my guess is 5).

Deth7 · « **Reply #26 on:** November 16, 2006, 11:30:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Because MS has chosen to keep DX10 specific to Vista, it will slow the number of titles which are DX10 only to a handful for a fair number of years (my guess is 5).

Kewl

FOGOLD · « **Reply #27 on:** November 17, 2006, 01:11:58 AM »

I would love to see a rebellion on that scale, but with all the box shifters (Dell etc) shipping with Vista next year I have my doubts about your scenario Skuzzy. MS are very good at eventually getting popular programmes to be "oh dear. won't run unless you have VIsta". Look at the number of things that won't work on Win 95 now (USB being the most notable) which are deemed essential in a PC nowadays.

My dad was an old school Socialist and in the UK circa 1965 a company the size of Miscrosoft would have been NATIONALISED. Now that would have really screwed things up!:lol

FOGOLD · « **Reply #28 on:** November 17, 2006, 01:15:12 AM »

Having said all that, I moved straight from Windows 95 to XP and never owned an operating system in between. The key for gamers will be the lure of DX10 features. Not in AH maybe, but in shooters and RTS games etc. MS have pulled a real fast one there and when I think about it it makes me quite angry but also fatalistic

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #29 on:** November 17, 2006, 04:24:42 AM »

Only morons will upgrade to Vista, so it will be the next standard by public choice.

If people were smart, no DX10 title would ever be released untill the support was extended to XP.