Author Topic: Unperk the XIV? (Read 3803 times)

Kev367th · « **Reply #30 on:** November 14, 2006, 05:27:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Perks are based on whether or not they change the game balance is they were unperked. Since none of those planes unfairly change the game balance there is no need for them to be perked. Quite simple really, just amazed quite a few just can't seem to grasp the concept.

ack-ack

Yup, would understand it if the XIV was a 400mph+ (in typical MA low alt fight), quad Hispano Spit (oops thats the F.21

), but it isn't.
I'd also expect quite rightly an F.21 if ever introduced to be perked.

Would it change a lot unperked?
La7 drivers still drive their La7s
K4, Pony, P38 drivers ditto.

What it would do is probably split the XVI drivers.

Taking this a stage further -
As the VIII and XVI are so similar performance wise -
How about -
Make the VIII an HF VIII with Merlin 70 and extended tips.
Definately be different.

Karnak · « **Reply #31 on:** November 14, 2006, 06:17:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Kev367th
How about -
Make the VIII an HF VIII with Merlin 70 and extended tips.
Definately be different.

Hell no!

Don't dare touch the Mk VIII.

Overlag · « **Reply #32 on:** November 14, 2006, 06:47:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Perks are based on whether or not they change the game balance is they were unperked. Since none of those planes unfairly change the game balance there is no need for them to be perked. Quite simple really, just amazed quite a few just can't seem to grasp the concept.

ack-ack

erm ok.....to anyone flying anything other than the top 5 planes its unfair......

currently we earn 1000s of perks a month, yet have nothing but a 262 to waste them on.

if all planes past a point had 2-5 perks on them maybe then we'd have a slightly more balanced arena

and we cant grasp your concept? wow im sorry.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #33 on:** November 14, 2006, 07:06:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
The thing about the 152 is that it sucks. Anywhere. All the time. Even free, few people fly it.

See, the 152 was unperked because it blows. It's by no means uber. The spit14 is perked BECAUSE it is uber. I've had sorties where I was in a spit14, lost an elevator, and STILL out turned 2 LA7s and a p51 that were gang banging me on the deck. I ended up with 4 kills after I lost an elevator, and still made it home safely to land. No other plane would have let me do that.

zOMFG!!!!!! IF you say so! Not our fault you rip wingtips off of the 152.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #34 on:** November 14, 2006, 08:19:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Overlag
erm ok.....to anyone flying anything other than the top 5 planes its unfair......

How is it unfair? Are you prevented from flying these planes yourself? In no way does the popularity of a plane equate to an unbalance in the game play or unfairness.

ack-ack

Bronk · « **Reply #35 on:** November 14, 2006, 10:38:49 PM »

Still want my Mk. XII

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purrdy aint it.

Bronk

Kweassa · « **Reply #36 on:** November 14, 2006, 10:43:48 PM »

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Perks are based on whether or not they change the game balance is they were unperked. Since none of those planes unfairly change the game balance there is no need for them to be perked. Quite simple really, just amazed quite a few just can't seem to grasp the concept.

On the contrary, it is quite amazing to see how much some people are so much brainwashed as to not recognize problems within the status quo.

Bronk · « **Reply #37 on:** November 14, 2006, 10:56:35 PM »

OK here is an idea if ya don't want to see all the uber late war rides.

Go to MW or EW arenas you won't see any .

But thats not you real complaint. You all who want to see x plane perked is to be able to tool around in your plane af choise and be unmolested by faster aircraft.

To bad, it's the late war arena and you're going to see the late war monsters . So you all should just get over it.

Bronk

Kweassa · « **Reply #38 on:** November 15, 2006, 09:58:26 AM »

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But thats not you real complaint. You all who want to see x plane perked is to be able to tool around in your plane af choise and be unmolested by faster aircraft.

I've already implied about a zillion times that it should be either, all the late war planes of comparable performance being perked, or none at all. My interest lies in balance, not personal favorites.

However, if you must go down the path of mud-slinging I'm not exactly the one to turn down a fight. I can as easily reverse your claims that all you want on the other hand, is nothing but stick to your favorite super-plane which clearly announces your identity as a typical "munchkin".

So don't go there.

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To bad, it's the late war arena and you're going to see the late war monsters . So you all should just get over it.

... and the late war arena has a certain late war plane perked, while other contemporary late war plane are not.

Hello? Anyone seen brains around here?

Bronk · « **Reply #39 on:** November 15, 2006, 10:41:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
I've already implied about a zillion times that it should be either, all the late war planes of comparable performance being perked, or none at all. My interest lies in balance, not personal favorites.

However, if you must go down the path of mud-slinging I'm not exactly the one to turn down a fight. I can as easily reverse your claims that all you want on the other hand, is nothing but stick to your favorite super-plane which clearly announces your identity as a typical "munchkin".

So don't go there.

... and the late war arena has a certain late war plane perked, while other contemporary late war plane are not.

Hello? Anyone seen brains around here?

Just a little fact for ya Mr Knowitall , most kills this tour in Mk IX spit.
And before i took my break from AH . I was getting good in the FM-2, hardly the super plane you claim I should stick to.

So what now , whats my excuse for not wanting them perked .
Also If you don't know why the Chog, temp, 4hog, 163, and the 262 (Yes i left out the Mk. XIV because its not uber down low) are perked ... You just might be the "munchkin".

Have a nice day Mr. Knowitall

Bronk

Noir · « **Reply #40 on:** November 15, 2006, 12:23:28 PM »

I'm glad to see the spit XIV unperking project shared by some people, I've been asking for that since years.

Now look from my point of view, why the spitXIV should be perked when you compare it to a P51D ? perk the pony "no you can't have a pony" niark niark niark

I've been reading on the RAF museum website that the spit IV was widely used and had a griphon engine, anyone got info on that ?

Shamus · « **Reply #41 on:** November 15, 2006, 03:10:43 PM »

Spit 14 is mediocre, I think the 16 is far more dangerous over all.

shamus

Kev367th · « **Reply #42 on:** November 15, 2006, 03:41:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Noir
I'm glad to see the spit XIV unperking project shared by some people, I've been asking for that since years.

Now look from my point of view, why the spitXIV should be perked when you compare it to a P51D ? perk the pony "no you can't have a pony" niark niark niark

I've been reading on the RAF museum website that the spit IV was widely used and had a griphon engine, anyone got info on that ?

Spit IV was the first Griffon engined Spit, but was only ever a single prototype.
If it had gone into production it would have had 6x20mm cannons and a top speed well in excess of 400mph.
Fitted with a Griffon RG 2SM it first flew Nov 1941.

What may be causing the confusion is that there was also a PR IV but this was only powered by a Merlin 45 (229 built)

Kweassa · « **Reply #43 on:** November 16, 2006, 04:08:00 AM »

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Just a little fact for ya Mr Knowitall , most kills this tour in Mk IX spit.
And before i took my break from AH . I was getting good in the FM-2, hardly the super plane you claim I should stick to.

So what now , whats my excuse for not wanting them perked .

As if I care.

When'd this discussion turn into something about you?

Oh I remember, when you started a line with "you only want.. blahblah" personal attacks, which I dutifully warned that I would retaliate towards with the same modus operandi.

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Also If you don't know why the Chog, temp, 4hog, 163, and the 262 (Yes i left out the Mk. XIV because its not uber down low) are perked ... You just might be the "munchkin".

A smarter person might have realized from the context of things that everybody partaking in this discussion already shares a certain view on certain things - ie. excluding the rockets and jets.

Since you obviously don't seem to be that kind of a person, I will kindly explain to you that we are not talking about jets and rockets. Besides, because of the recent arena splitting by era, the reasons behind perking temps and chogs, 4hogs are now also under serious question.

Comprende?

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Have a nice day Mr. Knowitall

You too, Mr. Butt-for-brains.

Bronk · « **Reply #44 on:** November 16, 2006, 06:44:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
As if I care.

When'd this discussion turn into something about you?

Might have been when you pointed it directly at me Mr Knowitall , "all you want on the other hand, is nothing but stick to your favorite super-plane which clearly announces your identity as a typical "munchkin" .

Oh I remember, when you started a line with "you only want.. blahblah" personal attacks, which I dutifully warned that I would retaliate towards with the same modus operandi.

Wrong again smart guy. "You all who want to see x plane perked is to be able to tool around in your plane of choice and be unmolested by faster aircraft." This was a generalization of "perk x late war rides" whiners. Never said you only get it right .

A smarter person might have realized from the context of things that everybody partaking in this discussion already shares a certain view on certain things - ie. excluding the rockets and jets.
Since you obviously don't seem to be that kind of a person, I will kindly explain to you that we are not talking about jets and rockets.

Well i see a valid reason for perking 4hogs , Chogs , and temps. If i am doing a jabo run off a Cv why would i use anything other than a Chog. Or if doing fighter sweep 4hog. Sure let the other models become hanger queens. Same with temp as a ground based AC . You can't really be this slow can you?

Besides, because of the recent arena splitting by era, the reasons behind perking temps and chogs, 4hogs are now also under serious question.

Really,, please ohh knower off all thing please direct me to where HT is doing this. What he is doing is setting up new perk system based on ords layout . The only thing in question is how much you really know.

Comprende?
Think I understand why AC is perked better than you . But I don't have the superior attitude.

You too, Mr. Butt-for-brains.

Have a nice day Mr Doesn'tknowasmuchashethinks.

Bronk

Edit:This should have been better worded but I think faster than I can type.

You all who want to see x plane perked is to be able to tool around in your plane of choice and be unmolested by faster aircraft.

Would have been better if..

You all who want to see x plane perked, just want the ability tool around in your plane of choice and be unmolested by faster aircraft

Edit 2: If Kweassa would have his PMs turned on I'd have PMed him to clear up this. It wasn't my intention to have my post appear pointed directly at him. And just for the record I didnt start the name calling. Kweassa started with the "munchkin" crap.
I apologize for subjecting the rest of you to this.