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Offline MrRiplEy[H]

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« on: November 14, 2006, 01:28:18 AM »
And he has no clue what it is.

http://news.com.com/The+farce+behind+Digital+Freedom/2010-1025_3-6134620.html

They're saying it's not fair for a consumer to back up an easily corruptable product like a music cd etc.

They say you don't own the cd you bought, you only bought a right to listen to the content on it. Fair enough.

THEN WHY THE HELL CAN'T I GET ANOTHER CD SIMILAR TO THE ONE I BOUGHT FROM THE SHOP FOR THE PRINTING AND DELIVERING COST WHEN NECESSARY? I mean if we already own the right to listen to the SONG, we should be able to get unlimited $1,5 printed CD's containing the same exact tunes. Right?

Wrong - you pay the product all over again if you damage the physical media - which they claim you don't own or pay for. Their logic is so seriously flawed that I've boycoted everything related to major music industries for years. And so should you.

It's the same as if HTC would force everyone to pay the subscription again if your AH2 installation gets corrupted or your computer breaks down.
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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2006, 05:11:57 AM »
I`m making and keeping numerous copies of all my Dixie Chicks music. I don`t care what they say.
Some things are just too precious to take chances of destruction or loss.






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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2006, 06:58:26 AM »
Dixie Hicks??

BARF

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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2006, 08:04:19 AM »
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Dixie Hicks??

BARF

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« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2006, 08:26:44 AM »
Here's a recent submission for my business class on the subject-

The Death of an Industry
And The Rebirth of Art

Written by:  Robert Hooper

Introduction
   The music industry is dying.  It is terminally ill.  It is already in its death throes.  Like a drowning man it will drag anyone near down with it.  The RIAA, the legal organization that represents the big players in the business, has taken to suing Grandmothers for having unlicensed intellectual property on their home computers.  It is trying, and succeeding in some areas, to buy legislation that will hinder technological progress and artistic freedom in order to prevent artists and fans from connecting without a middleman.  The reason behind all of this is that they see the writing on the wall:  They have outlived their usefulness.  The digital genie is out of the bottle and no matter what they do, it cannot be put back.  But what is bad news for corporations is excellent news for independent artists.

History
   Every industry starts with a niche found that can be exploited.  The music industry is no exception.  With the advent of audio recording and the phonograph, artists needed a method of delivering their product to market.  This was a symbiotic relationship in that the artists needed the record companies to mass produce the product and the record companies needed the artists to create the product to be mass produced.  Huge factories and vast distribution and marketing systems were set up and developed in order to reach the greatest amount of potential customers.  Radio and television was used to its best advantage and artists were nurtured and groomed to be more productive and more appealing and sent on tour to promote their work.
   
One of the things unique to the music industry is its great reliance on the youth market.  In 1982 the compact disc was introduced, ushering in the era of digital technology and by 1990 the vinyl record had all but disappeared.  With the higher cost of the CD and virtual disappearance of the single, the youth market was effectively eliminated from the consumer pool.  These are the consumers with very limited buying power, yet who are very in touch with current trends and fads.  These are the kids who went to their local record store and bought a single with their allowance every week. The 45 RPM single was the youth market's ticket into the hip world of the current music scene and when it was discontinued a door was slammed in their face.  It wouldn't be long before this market found a way around the industry that had cut it off.
   
In June of 1999 a Northeastern University student released Napster.  Napster was the original internet file sharing program which allowed people to freely share music over a large network.  Record companies immediately denounced file sharing as tantamount to stealing and quickly coined the term "music piracy" to describe the practice of sharing files among peers on the internet.  Many users of Napster, on the other hand, felt justified in file sharing since in their opinion the quality of product had been going down, with many albums only having one or two good songs on them, while prices continued to climb, even though since the introduction of the CD, manufacturing costs had plummeted.  Proponents of file sharing also pointed out that a lot of music that had been out of print for years and was impossible to find in music shops was readily available on the internet, rekindling interest in artists that had fallen by the wayside.  The biggest factor, however, was the youth market who had been cut off from the industry now had a way back in.

Present
   The RIAA, the Recording Industry Association of America, the lobbying and legal representation of the big four record companies, has made it very difficult for its target market to care about its woes.  As file sharing increased they decided that the best course of action was to sue everyone they could find who had unlicensed content on their PC's hard drive.  This resulted in high profile cases of 65 – 70 year old women being hauled into court and relieved of their Social Security checks because their grand child had used their computer to share music.  Music business studies claim to show a direct correlation between the rise in file sharing and the decline in music sales.  What they fail to also show is the dramatic rise in DVD sales that have replaced CD (a twenty-five year old format) sales and the reduced standards and quality of current music releases.  Take, for example, the release of the compilation of Beatles songs in 2000 called 1.  The collection, released on November 13, 2000, sold 3.6 million units in its first week and more than 12 million copies in three weeks worldwide, becoming the fastest selling album of all time and the biggest seller of 2000 and of the decade so far and not one song on the album was less than thirty years old. The collection also premiered at #1 in the U.S. and other countries.  All of the songs on 1 have been readily available through file sharing networks for years.  The record company’s claim that most people who download songs from the internet would buy their respective albums if free music wasn't available doesn't hold water.

Recently, the RIAA successfully lobbied to have a technical amendment added to the 1978 Copyright Act that effectively makes all music recorded under contract "work for hire."   Under the old law, a song composed while under contract would be licensed to the studio for a period of no longer than thirty-five years or as defined by individual contracts at which time the copyright would revert to the author or the authors family.  Thanks to the new law music composed under contract remains the property of the studio forever.  What this means it that an artist can no longer write into their contract that when they choose not to renew they can take their catalog with them.  It also means that artists and their families can never gain control of their material and distribute their work as they see fit.  

The industry could have used technology to its advantage.  The industry could have adapted its game plan to adjust to a changing market. Instead it has used strong-arm tactics designed to scare its would-be market out of pursuing alternative methods of receiving and choosing new music and underhanded back-door politics to keep artists in check while legislating itself into permanent existence.  What it has accomplished is to further ostracize itself from an already indifferent public and caused new artists to resist the corporate temptation.

Future
   In ten years the music business landscape will be unrecognizable.  Big studios will fall by the wayside to small, independent labels with the open mind and flexibility to change with, and stay ahead of the times.  The current trend of personal music devices will grow and physical music collections will be a thing of the past.  Music will almost exclusively be bought online and musicians will have the ability to be successful without a recording contract.  Custom tailored internet radio like Pandora will be the norm and people will have a kind of access to music that they never dreamed possible.  Personalized websites like Myspace will continue and grow to allow more new acts to gain fans, spread the word and deliver product to the consumer. Services like iTunes and Wal-Mart online will grow and become more competitive while offering a more personal service to their customers.  Musical content filters, like Google Music, and Yahoo Music, will flourish as people try to weed their way through the mind boggling sea of content.  No longer will consumers be restricted to hearing and discovering music that marketing experts for giant corporations want them to hear, but only by the limits of their taste and their search engines.
   
Musicians are artists, not business people, so there will always be a need for the "suits" to handle things like marketing and public relations.  In the future of music performers will much more likely pursue the talents of superstar PR firms than record labels.  Factories and distribution systems will no longer be necessary, creating cost savings that will passed down to the consumer.  Multi-million dollar record deals will be a thing of the past, weeding out the charlatans that are in it just for the money, making music more pure and honest. A concert tour will no longer be looked at as an advertisement for an album, but quite the contrary.  Entertainers of the near future will earn a larger bulk of their living through merchandising and public appearances and licensing of content to advertisers as the worth of recorded music, due to its easy acquisition, will go down.  
   
Conclusion
   If the industry can stop trying to use technology to stifle the growth of and use of technology, it can save itself.  It still has tremendous assets that could be used to either encourage technological growth and explore new avenues of approach or to continue to try to play the new game by the old game’s rules.  If it chooses the latter, it will surely fail, as the brave new world is already upon us and the sky is the limit.

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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2006, 09:14:48 AM »
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.....taken to suing Grandmothers for having unlicensed intellectual property on their home computers.
I stopped reading after this.  You want to steal something, then you should be ready to suffer the consequences of that theft.  Assume responsibility for your own actions.  The protection of intellectual property (IP) is what drives people to create.  Without that protection, why bother?  Just so someone else can steal it and make money off it?  That is what the protection of IP is all about.

With that said, I detest the RIAA and any organization which operates under the guise of 'protecting IP'.  The protection of IP falls under law.  The RIAA is not a law enforcement agency and should not be allowed to conduct its operations in the manner it does.  In allowing that, we are advocating 'marshal law' or worse.

The RIAA should not be allowed to take the law into its own hands and abuse the legal system in the manner in which it does.  Its current modus operandi is akin to communistic policy and has no place in a democratic society.

BUT, do not attack the right of anyone to protect their IP.  That is not the problem.  It is simply being abused by the RIAA.
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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2006, 09:32:13 AM »
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I stopped reading after this.  You want to steal something, then you should be ready to suffer the consequences of that theft.  Assume responsibility for your own actions.  The protection of intellectual property (IP) is what drives people to create.  Without that protection, why bother?  Just so someone else can steal it and make money off it?  That is what the protection of IP is all about.

With that said, I detest the RIAA and any organization which operates under the guise of 'protecting IP'.  The protection of IP falls under law.  The RIAA is not a law enforcement agency and should not be allowed to conduct its operations in the manner it does.  In allowing that, we are advocating 'marshal law' or worse.

The RIAA should not be allowed to take the law into its own hands and abuse the legal system in the manner in which it does.  Its current modus operandi is akin to communistic policy and has no place in a democratic society.

BUT, do not attack the right of anyone to protect their IP.  That is not the problem.  It is simply being abused by the RIAA.


Skuzzy the hard truth behind that is it is not allways the grandmothers stealing it but they don't know any better and just end up paying the RIAA's extortion fee.

For those who didn't know the RIAA uses the legal system to do it's investigating.

First they sue in any state (might not be the one you live in) with the defendent being John Doe.  THey then use the case to issue a supena to the ISP to provide the name of the person who was issued the IP address mentioned in the John Doe suit.  THat's right they sue an imaginary person to det to the real life one.  These cases end up getting dropped because all they are used for is to find a name that they can sue for real.

THen they issue a suit in the actual persons state and send a nasty letter saying pay up and we will drop this.  It doesn't matter if it is a computer that a bunch of people use, whoever's name is on the account, that is who is named.  Not knowing that the RIAA has NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE THAT YOU COMMITTED THE CRIME alot of people end up paying up.

It's all pretty sad and it's rarely ever about the actual artist or their "property"

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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2006, 02:04:58 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2006, 02:06:40 PM »
Yes Guns, that is what I was referring to when I talked about the RIAA abusing the legal system.  That is but one way they are abusing it.
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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2006, 03:13:01 PM »
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It's all pretty sad and it's rarely ever about the actual artist or their "property"


Now for the "Real Question" ... "Do you think the Artist Really gets any of this money the Riaa extorts outta these G-mum's ?"   :noid

The Riaa is a huge joke .

also they can't sue you for any copy of music you have made from a purchased medium ,as long as its not sold or given away by you without the owners consent.
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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2006, 04:41:22 PM »
I have no sympathy for the RIAA. As an industry in general they failed for so long to supply the market what the market demanded (easy to buy audio tracks in a digital format without buying whole albums, at a reasonable price). So the market found its own way to get what it wanted.

If the industry had acts promptly, engaged in what the market had wanted then this mess would be much much more insignificant.

Now they have a market who has very little qualms about piracy, who thinks the music industry is fat on excessive products, who thinks the RIAA are their cronies are nothing short of being some sort of mafia.

I hope this is a lesson the movie industry wakes up to before its too late.

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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2006, 10:24:32 PM »
So does this mean I can't listen to JoJo's "Too Little, Too Late" on my PC, MP3 player, and cd-rom?

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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2006, 06:46:17 AM »
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I hope this is a lesson the movie industry wakes up to before its too late.


Ever notice that many times the soundtrack to a movie costs more than the DVD of a movie?  I wonder how they justify that...

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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2006, 06:53:06 AM »
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Ever notice that many times the soundtrack to a movie costs more than the DVD of a movie?  I wonder how they justify that...


The movie sucks and flopped but the soundtrack is half-decent?

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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2006, 09:05:13 AM »
The RIAA subsidiary of the mafia has lobbied (using the customers' money) to change the goalposts. Copyrights were intended to be a weak protection against plagerism with civil remedies similar to trademarks. Profit from infringement can be stopped, and damages from any derived profit can be awarded by civil action.

Criminalizing copyright infringement where no profit was derived from the infringement is, well, criminal. $750 damages per song? That's preposterous. The lost revenue was about $1 per song for that instance. That's a whopping $3 for treble damages.

It's a world gone mad.