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icemaw · « **Reply #60 on:** November 13, 2006, 03:02:02 PM »

NIKIS LALAS AND SPITS OH MY
nikis lalas and spits oh no

yummy they taste like chicken!

Kev367th · « **Reply #61 on:** November 13, 2006, 03:05:02 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
Just shows the changes HAVEN'T done anything to make things 'fairer' or even better for the LW arenas, if anything it's 100 times worse.

I didn't think that any of the changes were made to make things "fairer".

The first/original change was implemented to reduce the population capacity of arenas because of "community" concerns by HT and Company, along with setting up different arenas with different plane sets for a future influx of people. No mention of making things "fairer" from all that I read.

The second change ... alternating dynamic-max arena capacity of the 2 LW arenas. This change was done to try and equally distribute LW flyers across the 2 arenas ... this was done due to the massive wailing by some that the LW1 was maxed at 250 and only a hand full of participants were flying in LW2. I don't remember this being implemented as a tool to make things "fairer" ... it was just a distribution tool.

HT could make things "fairer" real easy ... like Battlefield 2142 ... the server puts you were it decides to ... to even out the sides. Is that what you/we want ?

Making things "fairer" can only be done by us ... if we want to still have some choices in AH.

It is quite obvious that people in LW arenas are making their decisions ... and really don't include "fairer" in their decision process. EW and MW do suffer too in this regard, but it is much more magnified in the LW arenas.

My idea that I brought forth, would help to make things "fairer" in the LW arenas, but it would still require people to make a "choice" to make things "fairer" ... but at least they would still have a choice and I believe a lot would make that choice.

Seen your idea Slap and it has it's merits.

Downside -
If they currently just goto the other LW where they have numbers, what makes you think they'd goto the other outnumbered arena if given the choice?
There is probably a very, very small minority willing to do that, but will it be enough to make a tangible difference?

If you look at what happens now, you'll see why I think it won't work -
One team getting hammered in one arena, they jump to the other LW arena.
Can't change human nature.
Yesterday once the Rooks lost their HQ bases 1/3 of them left (20 players) for greener pastures. Pushing ENY skywards for Bish and Knits, probably doing the same to Rooks in the other LW arena.

Theres your choice -
Not going well in one arena, hop to another.

Overlag · « **Reply #62 on:** November 13, 2006, 04:07:27 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
LW? Sounds like all the guys who have to have all the advantages have simply went to the LW which is.... simply the old ma on a smaller scale...

given choice of which side to be on and which planes to fly... a lot of guys will pick the best planes and the side with the most numbers but...

as oldman says... what's the problem? isn't this like "real" war? isn't this the way to take bases and win the hawiian vacation?

If you don't like fighting superior numbers and late war planes at alt... go to the mid or early war... leave those guys to play with themelves in the mini MA.

one slum was taken away from these guys so they created another...It is their nature.

lazs
Public Relaitons Officer for the BK's

oh please..... where to you pull this **** out of? You talkk SOOOO much about how LW runs, yet you never play in it and you only play like 4hours a week.... hmm i suppose that means you know about everything that goes on right?

like you say.... furballs never happen in LW..... but then why did one go on for 5 hours friday? Yes, we had those "horrible griefers" trying to stop it with bombers.... but when those skilless dweebs found my 190A8 at 20k... most of them never got any eggs off....wooowooo

didnt Hitech post some numbers that showed only 9-15% flew the top planes in the old MA? People like LW because its diverse... its not just FM2 vs F4F, or Hurri2c vs hurri2c. This is one of the reasons why we asked, and GOT EW/MW planes back into LW.... because alot of us like flying the old planes in LW.

I dont switch sides when numbers are out of balance, i switch servers hence i bumped into you in EW a few weeks ago.... doing all parts of this game is what keeps it interesting....

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Originally posted by Kev367th
LOL

Actually what is more worrying than the arena changes -

1) Lack of updates
2) Lack of patches/fixes
3) Skins - Went from weekly, to bi-weekly, to monthly, to God knows when.

Seems like Classic AH is being back burnered in favor of CT.

1: aye

2: aye

3: aye

yes, all there time should be going into CT.... but really.... how much longer is this going to be... if its going to take ages, then AH needs some work too.

SlapShot · « **Reply #63 on:** November 13, 2006, 04:30:47 PM »

If they currently just goto the other LW where they have numbers, what makes you think they'd goto the other outnumbered arena if given the choice?

Can't really answer that, but at least some would have a choice to get into a capped arena and help balance it out ... if that is what they choose to do.

There is probably a very, very small minority willing to do that, but will it be enough to make a tangible difference?

You could be right ... but then again you could be wrong. Anything, no matter how small, is better than nothing at all.

If you look at what happens now, you'll see why I think it won't work -
One team getting hammered in one arena, they jump to the other LW arena.
Can't change human nature.

Human nature can be changed ... but only if they want to change it. Appears that the only way that people can enjoy themselves in LW is with massive overpowering numbers clubbing the crap out of the weak.

Yesterday once the Rooks lost their HQ bases 1/3 of them left (20 players) for greener pastures. Pushing ENY skywards for Bish and Knits, probably doing the same to Rooks in the other LW arena.

Is it ...

Bail when your under the gun in one arena, but revel in the numbers in another.

or is it ...

When you are constantly pummeled day in and day out, where is the fun in that ... so they just leave and go to another arena ... where, before the change, they would just log.

I think it is a good mixture of both.

Theres your choice - Not going well in one arena, hop to another.

A much better choice than logging.

Kev ... what it boils down to is that "we", the players, have to take "fairness" into our own hands ... to the best of our abilities.

If you want HT to force fairness, you might not like what you get ... I know I wouldn't.

Atoon · « **Reply #64 on:** November 13, 2006, 08:06:04 PM »

Slapshot:aok

lazs2 · « **Reply #65 on:** November 14, 2006, 08:26:46 AM »

overlag... I have seen furballs that lasted in the old MA too... they just didn't happen often enough for me. So you had a furball in LW? big whup... you killed some bombers trying to spoil it... great... Are you saying that anytime I go to the LW I will find a 5 hour furball with furballers and toolshedders all working together to have fun? No... I didn't think so. I don't believe that I have ever seen anyone in high alt 190's or whatever defend a field effectively for a furball. If there would have been dedicated griefers you would not have stood a chance.

allmost every time in the old MA the furball would get griefed. If it lasted it was because the griefers were busy somewhere else... and they were never busy somewhere else long enough.

EW planes in LW? yeah.. we had em in the old MA too... I never seen but one other FM2 in a month or three unless it was at a carrier... I don't believe I ever saw a spit one of hurri one. Yeah.. the late war plane guys love it that early war planes are in the lw... they figure let the suckers fly em.

In EW you can be on for an hour and see that... people working together to have fun in a couple of places at one time. ew or mid war planes that stand an even chance of succeeding.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

straffo · « **Reply #66 on:** November 14, 2006, 09:57:12 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
If you don't like fighting superior numbers and late war planes at alt... go to the mid or early war... leave those guys to play with themelves in the mini MA.

I think the guy playing with themselves are the 10 in EW or the 24 in the MW.

Overlag · « **Reply #67 on:** November 14, 2006, 04:04:13 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2

EW planes in LW? yeah.. we had em in the old MA too... I never seen but one other FM2 in a month or three unless it was at a carrier... I don't believe I ever saw a spit one of hurri one.

i landed 7 kills in a spit1 before in the old MA.... got like 112 perks... and as you saw in the EW.... i suck at furballing.

i also landed 3 kills in a 109E last week.... and it ended up with a hangbag fight on ch200 about how "skillless" i was etc.... i wasnt doing the argueing, i was just watching and trying to stop them argue about it.

it is do-able, and part of the fun of MA, you can do whatever you want, in whatever you want. i know my old RAF squad (swoop, ripsnort, caverlear etc) RAF flew a few spit1 missions yes, we rarely landed, but we still had fun.

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Originally posted by lazs2

Yeah.. the late war plane guys love it that early war planes are in the lw...they figure let the suckers fly em.

just because you dont see it doesnt mean it doesnt happen.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #68 on:** November 14, 2006, 04:36:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Simaril
Atoon,

I feel your pain. This topic has come up repeatedly since the change, and it seems the battle lines are drawn between the "lets all play nicely and with sportsmanship" crowd and the "OMFG! We R teh Bst R3settrz! -- or, it's my $15 so go away" crowd.

It's been an issue since before the change.

ack-ack

Atoon · « **Reply #69 on:** November 14, 2006, 08:51:13 PM »

Hopefully the players will make the changes & we wont have to force HTC's hand. It would be great to actually have some battles again. I don't play near as much as I used to. I remember when I used to spend almost all my free time playing. Now, not so much.

lazs2 · « **Reply #70 on:** November 15, 2006, 08:45:49 AM »

overlag.. since I flew slow planes allmost exclusively I think that I seen more of what us slow planes were fighting than you.. and... I flew the prime time in the old MA or.. weekends.

I look at my old expanded stats to see what planes I killed or killed me.. they are 99% late war or late mid war planes with huge advantages over the early war planes. I will tell you that it was not that fun compared to the more even fights I see now... I have no interest in flying early war planes in the new MA... the LW.

Look at the stats of the guys who want the MA back with early war planes only allowed to fly if they fly against the whorde of late war ones... these guys spend 99% of their time in late war planes. Their kills are of early or inferior planes... self interest and hypocracy.

I still see guys wanting to fly the best planes in the arena in every arena... there were nothing but 109F and (LOL) 190a5's in early war rookland last night... I grabbed a spit 9 and you should have heard the comments about how the spit 9 shouldn't be in the game! What you have is a dedicated (read inflexible) luftwhiner group that is not happy unless they have the best planes in the sky. At least.... the very best planes were not the huge difference in ew that they were in the MA... from the cv I would still take an f4f and have a good chance against them if the fights stayed low.

nope.. you can have the slum arenas.

lazs
Pubic Relations Officer for the BK's

Overlag · « **Reply #71 on:** November 15, 2006, 05:36:17 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2

nope.. you can have the slum arenas.

lazs
Pubic Relations Officer for the BK's

thanks, and you can have the boring empty arenas.

Kev367th · « **Reply #72 on:** November 15, 2006, 05:39:27 PM »

You should have pointed out Lazs in the EW arena -

Spit 9 - 1942
190 - 1943

Neither belong there, if anything the 190 even more so.
Guess they are there to fill the woeful EW planeset.