Author Topic: JU88A4 with MG-FF/M? (Read 1980 times)

Bruno · « **Reply #30 on:** November 13, 2006, 07:34:14 PM »

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Originally posted by E25280
Any Main arena online - one cannon round inside the circle kills the ack. I usually fire 4-5 to make sure I hit it. *Poof* every time. No where near your 29 rounds.

Colt .45 will kill a soft gun or puffy ack with 10 direct hits. Never "lived" long enough close to an auto-ack to test them.

Sorry, Bruno, you are just wrong on this one.

Don't apologize - I don't get home until about 11 to check but if its changed then I am wrong about current ack hardness.

Knegel · « **Reply #31 on:** November 14, 2006, 01:08:58 AM »

Hi,

1-2 cannon rounds is enough for a AAA, looks like YOU dont know what you are talking about. You maybe should play more instead of whining.

I didnt read any comment here that state that the MGFF isnt the most weak gun in AH, but this dont matter at all in this contex, therefor i dont know why you keep to argue.

Your arguments against the 20mm in the Ju88 would fit to ALL 20mms in AH, but you seems to be so much into Luftwhining that you dont see that.

EVERY cannon in AH can easy kill a AAA and also M3´s and M16´s. If you cant do it, you should train a bit more.

With the current AAA behaviour(they rarely hit as long as you fly strait), it would be stupid to load 50kg bombs, if you have cannons to destroy the AAA´s fast. Better load some more big bombs to get the hangers or drop 50kg to bunkers etc.

With the B26 and its .50cals iam able to deack a base, a movable front 20mm for sure would make this task very easy. It also would be helpfull to destroy some buildings in a Town.

Greetings,

Bruno · « **Reply #32 on:** November 14, 2006, 11:07:57 AM »

The fact that the ack hardness is so weak that just about any gun can kill it doesn't make the MGFF in the Ju-88 any more useful. It's been asked for before and it hasn't been added yet.

The B-26s could kill ack when it was set to 100lbs. I don't 'kill ack' or do any base rape stuff, its boring...

Knegel · « **Reply #33 on:** November 15, 2006, 12:29:42 AM »

Once again you be wrong!!

Its almost impossible to deack a base with a single 7,6mm or .30cal from a plane!!

The different between MGFF and MG17 would be extreme!!

Also while taking down buildings(not unimportant!! How often only some buildings are left after a bombrun??

That it was asked before is fine, and?? Thats, no argument against a 20mm in favour for a smal MG.

You should be a bit more carefully with your "you dont know what you are talking about" commnets, its a trap where you can stumble fast.

btw, your last sentence i dont understand.

Greetings,

Charge · « **Reply #34 on:** November 15, 2006, 03:37:15 AM »

Request for HTC: give the thread starter option to lock his own thread.

Guys, I don't want an interesting thread turn into a sht tossing contest.

-C+

Viking · « **Reply #35 on:** November 15, 2006, 04:24:40 AM »

Seems to me that getting rid of Bruno would be a much simpler fix.

Bruno · « **Reply #36 on:** November 15, 2006, 09:28:06 AM »

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Once again you be wrong!!

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Colt .45 will kill a soft gun or puffy ack with 10 direct hits.

Shamus · « **Reply #37 on:** November 15, 2006, 09:43:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Bruno

You just don't know wtf you are talking about as usual. Do you just make things up?

LOL, I guess he did know what he was talking about.

shamus

Bruno · « **Reply #38 on:** November 15, 2006, 12:32:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Shamus
LOL, I guess he did know what he was talking about.

shamus

Sure did...

E25280 · « **Reply #39 on:** November 15, 2006, 08:00:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Knegel
Once again you be wrong!!

Its almost impossible to deack a base with a single 7,6mm or .30cal from a plane!!

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Knegel is not entirely incorrect. The word I underlined in the last quote is key.

Cannon have a small area of effect. That is what makes them extremely effective against the field ack. A cannon hit inside the gray circle kills it.

Any MG ammunition needs to directly hit the gun to have any effect, and multiple shots are required to kill it. Shots simply landing inside the circle have no effect at all.

The dust splash effect on any miss, plus the gun-shake effect, makes it very difficult to correct your fire sufficiently to hit such a small target from a moving aircraft. Add convergence issues on most aircraft (granted, not a problem with the single gun JU-88) and closing speeds of 2-300mph, and deacking with MG fire is a frustrating task to say the least.

E25280 · « **Reply #40 on:** November 15, 2006, 09:36:57 PM »

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From the 2.09 readme:
Cannon rounds exploding next to ack guns were detecting closer than they actually hit.

Sooooo . . . . this seems relevant to the discussion. It will be interesting to see how much this ends up affecting deacking fields. Seems just inside the circle may not be good enough anymore -- or perhaps more cannon rounds will be required from now on (inside circle used to register as direct hits, perhaps?).