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Offline stickpig

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« on: November 15, 2006, 07:21:15 PM »
When the update comes out..

Added a new Trim Set function. This a supplement to the manual trim system. At the instant you press the trim set button, it will see how much aileron, elevator, and aileron input you are giving and feed in trim to achieve neutral controls. The default key for this function is the <.> key. If you have ever remapped any of your keys, you will need to manually map this function.


is this the same as combat trim or something differnt?
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2006, 07:24:21 PM »
So.. I don't get this...

You hold the stick OFF center, and it tries to CENTER it? So if you're rolling a little to the left, pull left, hit this key, let go , and you should "push right" when you let the stick spring back....

Something like that?

I think I'll stick with Combat and Manual Trims.

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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2006, 07:37:56 PM »
Is it like; you lose a wing and you correct it using rudder/aileron, then you press < or > (depending on which way you gave rudder and applied aileron) then you can let go of aileron and it will maintain the amount of aileron you were giving to maintain level flight?

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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2006, 09:50:33 PM »
If so it may have its uses, but I'm not sure you'll need it unless you're not going to make it home in 1 piece anyways (it's nearly impossible to land with half a wing nowadays, I had gear down and touched down at 201MPH and touched down WITH the gear, and just instantly went "POOF" and was in tower. You can't slow down enough becuase the loss of lift, so you can't land).

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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2006, 11:40:11 PM »
aw jeeze you mean you're not able to land missing 1/2 a wing?!?!?

the nerve of some game developers...

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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2006, 12:12:42 AM »
The Trim thing has alway interested me because the only reason for trim is to releive control pressure.  I'm not sure that the force feed back that is provided by the different sticks used in the game actcuaretly transfers the control pressure to the stick and you are holding in a correction that you could then trim out.  In theory if the combat trim is on, and it automaticly trims for control pressure changes, then there is never a reason to trim manually, because all you would then be doing is putting the aircraft out of trim.

An aircraft that is out of trim is not performing at it's aerodynamic best.
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2006, 07:25:06 AM »
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it's nearly impossible to land with half a wing nowadays, I had gear down and touched down at 201MPH and touched down WITH the gear


i land my spit8 with half a wing fairly regularly, the problem is being over 200mph. that is instant death.

just my .02.



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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2006, 07:52:23 AM »
Combat trim is simply a lookup table of trim settings.  For example, if you are doing 200 mph and have combat trim enabled, it will go to a table and lookup your speed and set the three trims to whatever corresponds to the 200 mph entry.  Combat trim is meant to keep you trimmed condition for just one condition- military power at a standard fuel and ordnance load.  Change your throttle settings, drop your flaps, change your loadout, etc. and combat trim may no longer hold you in a trimmed out condition.  For those conditions, you need to use manual trim to get your plane trimmed out.  If you use combat trim all the time, you'll notice that when you're on final approach with power reduced and gear and flaps down, you're out of trim by a good deal and are having to put in a lot of joystick and rudder input to hold your plane at the correct attitude.  If you want to get your plane trimmed out in these other conditions, you'll need to use the manual trim system when you're in those conditions.

As soon as you start dialing in some manual trim, your combat trim will be disabled.  To reenable it, you either need to press the combat trim key or there is an option in the flight setup that automatically enables combat trim whenever you leave autopilot mode.  

So you're on final with your power reduced and flaps and gear down and combat trim has you out of trim.  You're having to push forward on the stick to keep your nose from coming up.  You start repeatedly hitting the down trim key to alleviate this.  As you dial in more elevator trim, you can start relaxing the amount of joystick input you are giving until the stick is centered.  You would then rinse and repeat for the aileron and rudder trims and that should put you in a trimmed out condition.  

What the new feature does is move all three of those trims for you when you make a single button press.  Going back to the above example, how I would trim out my plane on final approach would be to hold the correct amount of elevator, aileron, and rudder input to keep the plane flying like I want it to.  Then I just hit the set trim button and it looks at how much input I'm giving to each axis and begins dialing in trim to get each of those axes back to a neutral position.  As it does this I just begin relaxing the amount of deflection I'm feeding into the joystick and rudder until they are neutral.  

This is just an addition to the manual trim system.  It doesn't replace anything.  If you don't use it, you wouldn't know that anything has changed.  

Although the outcome is essentially the same, trim is different in a PC sim versus a real aircraft because PC's have self-centering spring loaded sticks.

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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2006, 08:00:35 AM »
Neat Pyro !

I assume the rate of change (damping) of the trim setting is as now and  is hard coaded?
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2006, 10:15:48 AM »
Pyro :aok
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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2006, 10:20:10 AM »
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Originally posted by Pyro
So you're on final with your power reduced and flaps and gear down and combat trim has you out of trim.  You're having to push forward on the stick to keep your nose from coming up.  You start repeatedly hitting the down trim key to alleviate this.  As you dial in more elevator trim, you can start relaxing the amount of joystick input you are giving until the stick is centered.  You would then rinse and repeat for the aileron and rudder trims and that should put you in a trimmed out condition.


Way cool!!! :aok

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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2006, 04:38:51 PM »
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aw jeeze you mean you're not able to land missing 1/2 a wing?!?!?

the nerve of some game developers...


it happens in real life.......
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