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Offline Mister Fork

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Tieing gears and tailhooks not a good idea
« on: November 17, 2006, 03:04:53 PM »
I tried to land a Zeke last night with a damaged left gear from a combat collision.  WWII SOP would of called for a gear up hook down landing.  Since I was HOPING to land that way I was frustrated I HAD to land with damaged gear - right wheel came down only with hook.

What would of been a tail-first then belly-down landing with the hook grabbing - ended up being a landing on the right wheel, then dropping onto the left wing, and cartwheeling off to the left side of the carrier. Weeeeee

Can we please allow hooks down without gear?
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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2006, 03:10:16 PM »
What happens is you lower gear, lower hook, then raise gear? does the hook stay down?

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Re: Tieing gears and tailhooks not a good idea
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2006, 07:35:08 PM »
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I tried to land a Zeke last night with a damaged left gear from a combat collision.  WWII SOP would of called for a gear up hook down landing.  Since I was HOPING to land that way I was frustrated I HAD to land with damaged gear - right wheel came down only with hook.

What would of been a tail-first then belly-down landing with the hook grabbing - ended up being a landing on the right wheel, then dropping onto the left wing, and cartwheeling off to the left side of the carrier. Weeeeee

Can we please allow hooks down without gear?


     Any particular reason you didn't just leave the gear up?  I find it
extremely difficult to believe you can't stop a zeke on a gear up CV landing.
I mean it's not like you were going to rearm that particular bird anyway.
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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2006, 07:41:51 PM »
Gear, whats that?

Never use it to land.

Much more fun wheels up into a hanger on a vulched field and watching guys auger behind you.
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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2006, 08:25:59 PM »
It should be an option if thats how it was done. Like others here I dont use gear or especially hooks after being catapulted backwards off the carrier once too often.

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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2006, 09:15:17 PM »
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Gear, whats that?

Never use it to land.

Much more fun wheels up into a hanger on a vulched field and watching guys auger behind you.


you stop faster too :D :D :D
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2006, 09:31:47 PM »
Is the hook tied to the gear now?
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2006, 09:43:30 PM »
Were supposed to land?
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2006, 10:23:44 PM »
why not just belly land without the hook?
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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2006, 12:33:40 AM »
I hate to do a 'me too' but, sorry, a gear up landing is nearly as short as a hook landing...
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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2006, 02:41:00 AM »
On at least some planes (such as the F4U), you had to lower the gear before lowering the hook.

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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2006, 08:09:25 AM »
Hooks are for girly men! I can get jug stopped before the last wire, back up, rearm, and take off agin
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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2006, 08:14:49 AM »
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Is the hook tied to the gear now?


Yes

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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2006, 10:53:26 AM »
For you gametards, not landing is a non issue.

For us historical/realism nutters, the real maccoy is the deal.  Having to land gear up - sure, if my right tip of the wing wasn't missing. Was hard enough just to keep it level. I was hoping to use the tailhook in case I fudged the landing (which I did) - tailhook never got a chance to catch.  Throw in a moving carrier, enemy aircraft swarming around, and you have yourself a handful just to land.

I'm just surprised that HTC merged landing gear to the tailhook. To me, it's like merging the flaps to landing gear.
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« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2006, 11:45:16 AM »
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why not just belly land without the hook?



I think the suggestion of belly landing without hook is sound; it is exactly what I thought of after reading the original post

Maybe the point to Mister Fork's concern is with historical accuracy rather than a solution that works within the dynamics of the game, since he mentioned the military operating procedure.

EDIT:

Mister Fork's post above this one did not exist at the time I wrote my response.  So my suggested assumption about historical accuracy being his concern seems valid.  Although there is some irony in his words, as his gear was damaged as the result of a collision, part of the game collision model which is far from realistic - (understood or otherwise.)
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