Originally posted by Sandman
I wouldn't be so certain. Last I checked the Hezbollah are still standing.
Israel could take on Iran in a stand up ,military fight and hold their own. Everyone like to make statements like you about how Hezbollah is still there but look at the tactics they use. They hide inside the civilian population. They fire rockets from civilian neighborhoods. They attack and then scurry back and hide behind women and children, and then wait for world opinion to side with them when Israel retaliates as we have all just seen. It's the same thing in Iraq. These extreamists don't care if women or children get killed, but they know the liberals of the world DO and that helps their cause.
The only way to fight extreamism and win is to get to the point where we don't care anymore ourselves about the collatoral damage we inflict. I know that sounds harsh, and it is, but try and remember back to 9/11. How did watching everything that happened that day make you FEEL? At that time would you have cared if we had nuked someplace in the middle east? Were you worried about hurting all the women and children that were dancing in the street? I know for myself I could have given a ratts bellybutton about them, and personaly I still don't care about them.
The point being, there isn't a single country over there that could stand up to a head to head fight with Israel or the US. People are so soft now that when they see or hear about some civilians getting hurt or killed all of a sudden it's time to tie the hands of the military and we end up with Iraq.
US policy needs to change to something along the lines of this. Make a statement to the world that if any US or allied soldier or citizen is killed, for every single loss we take, we will drop a bomb on a civilian target at random. You want to live then you better turn these bastards over to us or kill them yourselves. The time is quickly approaching when the "moral high ground" is not going to matter anymore. Talking doesn't work. Giving aid and medicine doesn't work. Leaving the middle east will not work. This fight is here and now and the only way we can maintain our way of life is to fight the war as harshly as they do. That's the only thing they will understand. We will eventually be forced to fight in a manner that is as barbaric as the enemy's if we are going to win.
For those that think that if we have to stoop to that level, then maybe we shouldn't win, convert to Islam now because that will be your only choice left.