Banning cluster munitions.

[red26]

The normal failiure rate in one round of MLRS rocket would equal that of several houndred larger conventional and/or guided munitions.

By,Nilsen


I would like to see where ya got this at?

[Excel1]

Originally posted by Debonair
its cause he doesn't get out of bed before noon

If that was suppose to be a clue, I didnt get it

worked it out from my end. tards cant keep their mouths shut

I didnt see it, didnt have a clue

no matter now. payback time gixer and ya mate bell

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by red26
By,Nilsen


I would like to see where ya got this at?

Math.

1 MLRS rocket = 600+ submunitions.

Faliure rate in one MLRS rocket 25% (rounded off) = 150 failed submunitions

Lets _assume_ that "regular" arty shells also has 25% (and they dont... its closer to 1%)

You end up with having to aim 600 normal arty shells to get the same 150 failed arty shells

[Mr No Name]

The way I see it, assuming a full 25% actually fail... That's 450 bomblets that put the smackdown on our enemy... and later the others may have bagged a few more... I say keep em and use them often... If they were not effective, our enemies would not protest them.

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Ofcourse you cant completly civlise a war as war itself is un-civilised.

Using weapons like the MLRS (or any russian or whatever) round is like using a shotgun at a huge area with the big difference beeing that the bomblets keeps on delivering decades later. This seperates this weapon from all others on the battlefield except landmines that have been banned by most civilised countries.

Add bombs, Arty rounds, 40MMs, RPGs, grenades.. to your list of things that are supposed to go boom, but don't always. 1 gets banned, they'll use more of the others..

Kids get all jacked up, people explode... a million sad stories emanate from the ashes just like it always has after war... thats just the way it goes.

[DiabloTX]

I do not favor a ban on cluster munitions.


Thank you.

[Debonair]

considering the old cliche
if you've ended up in a fair fight, you did something stupid (or something like that)
i say they should be banned:noid

[DiabloTX]

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Nilsen
This seperates this weapon from all others on the battlefield except landmines that have been banned by most civilised countries.

You norwegians have been too long untouched by the wars! (almost instantly surrendering in WWII doesn't count)

There's nothing wrong with mines that are used approriately and not thrown around randomly, which is the main problem with mines. Minefields should be marked on a map.

Finns used mines in the second world war and the mines haven't caused much problems for civilians afterwards. The mines weren't laid randomly around with the very purpose of going off on civilians, like in Africa. The western world can ban mines all they want but it isn't going to make the mines dissapear over there where the actual problem persists. Mines are too cheap to go away. I'm sure they can manufacture their own mines if they can already build Kalashnikovs in a cramped hut. What exactly would we, in Europe, win by banning mines? Nothing.

Finland is in the process of banning mines, against the opinion of the majority - and guess what we're going to replace the mines with? With cluster munition! Are we supposed to ban the cluster munition too in the next 20 years? Why not just go straight back to the sticks and stones.

We also agree that cluster munitions aren't exactly the perfect solution and are, in fact, worse than mines. Exactly because of the clusters dropping down randomly in a targeted area and many of those will fail to explode - Effectively creating the very same situation that is caused by mines laid around randomly.

Instead of making things better by banning mines we've only made it worse.

We could just as well ban all the guns - that'd be the only working humane solution. Due to obvious reason it doesn't work any better than banning mines and cluster munitions without further thinking.


Btw. Soldiers will begin to use improvised mines if mines are banned. There'll be grenades attached to tripwires all around - and you can be sure those will not be mapped anywhere. There's also a wide variety of other explosive devices that can be used to set up an improvised mine.

From bad to worse. FTW!

[zorstorer]

Though your arguments are from your heart Nilsen, there are some morons spouting the same thing.  Only I am not sure what planet they are from....

Wack job...

count the times he says "mafia" and "corporate" on just one page

[Nilsen]

Well... there are good and bad ways of promoting your point of view. I always take away the the most hardcore fundamentalists on _both_ sides of a debate. As soon as someone starts talking terrorism and use other extremes i tend to fileter them out.

[zorstorer]

After reading his little write up on the fuel and air explosives...we need to use more of them.

[red26]

This is all I have eft to say about this subject.

B-52 doing its thing

[Neubob]

Here's a suggestion:

Instead of us banning cluster munitions, why don't our perspective enemies come up with a method do defeat them, either on the ground, in the air, or later, when they've falled and imbedded themselves in the earth. That way, you see, adversaries in armed conflict won't have to worry about making provisions so that the process of war will be less burdensome to their enemy.... I think that would be more appropriate in keeping with the spirit of war, don't you agree?

Otherwise, we might as well just resolve to throwing water balloons and yelling strongly-worded yet ethnically-neutral insults.

Or, as Debonair might put it:

ZOmg!!!!!!!1look at teh black waterbaloons from Al-queda!!!!!1:noid

[Shuffler]

Hugging is a term used to describe an enemy staying in close quarters with non-combatants.... or supposed non-combatants. It is my thought that anyone not pointing out a known combatant should also be thought of as a combatant.

Many muslims rant about supposed innocents being hit.... yet will not point out other muslims they know to be combatants. They never say anything about muslims common tactic attacking non-combatants either.

Go in and get it done.... no hand tieing..... to do so is only committing suicide for our soldiers (have we already forgotten nam).