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« Reply #105 on: November 23, 2006, 11:58:01 PM »
It's in itself contradictory to argue something irrational.  That's all I'm saying.

"God" is irrational, infinite.  No human understanding can be had of such a thing.  No name nor quality accurately given or estimated, no prediction can be made of something such as it, that's by principle, by definition, outside the effective boundary of reason.

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There is no evidence that ghosts and magic do not exist, surely you would not think the opinion that there is no such thing as magic is irrational.

"Ghosts" and "magic" are human ideas, they're rational; however bastardized a form of reason they were made by.
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The problem is people get hung up on this "believing that there is nothing godlike is the same as believing that there is a god, since the existance of god cannot be disproven, both opinions are "faith based". And they don't think beyond this.

If an agnostic doesn't believe that the ancient gods of greece are real, by this line of flawed reasoning, he would be considered religious.

Well I'm not saying what that "agnostic" would.  I'm saying human understanding has limits (isn't there a division of philosophy specialized in this?), and this "territory" does not include irrationality.  
Reason "works". Irrationality doesn't.  The human mind can't "work" something that isn't rational.
It's not just any special case of inversion like "Up" and "Down" in a 2D system, it's the exception to the framework of thought itself.  It doesn't just sit by neighborly or cohabit as a third dimension would, in that case.
It's anything belonging to that "territory", and having no map or tool with which to explore it or sense it, our understanding would not make sense of it, since "sense" is our human speak for "Human sense", and said territory would not be explorable.
Reason can't go there. There's nothing to reasonably say about it.

That said, all I think is worth our attention are practical matters:
Something said to be supernatural is either nonsense made up by the one saying so, or nothing worth considering, in practice, since if any effect it has on the matter at hand, said effect can neither be perceived, nor understood before, during or after the fact, and therefore not predicted either, and therefore has no practical value.
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« Reply #106 on: November 24, 2006, 03:38:23 AM »
I'm sorry... If I am on the plane and Achmed and the boys are starting to unfurl the rugs and praying in a language that requires a couple of buckets of phlegm... given the history of this religion of the "Moon god of arabia" along with this worldwide radical muslim movement... I would not only voice my concerns to the flight crew but would start doing whatever i could to make them cease to breathe.  

clearly this was done to upset others onboard the aircraft.  To quote  a Jackyl song about bin laden and his cohorts: "I'll Take that towel off your head, wrap it around your neck and pull it tight 'til you're dead"
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« Reply #107 on: November 24, 2006, 08:06:02 AM »
They didn't pray on the plane, and you might want to check your zipper, your bigotry is showing.
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« Reply #108 on: November 24, 2006, 10:12:44 AM »
hmm..this is interesting:

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       Then there’s the case of Muhammed al-Qudhaieen and Hamdan al-Shalawi, two Arizona college students removed from an America West flight after twice trying to open the cockpit. The FBI suspected it was a dry run for the 9/11 hijackings, according to the 9/11 Commission Report. One of the students had traveled to Afghanistan. Another became a material witness in the 9/11 investigation.

    Even so, the pair filed racial-profiling suits against America West, now part of US Airways. Defending them was none other than the leader of the six imams kicked off the US Airways flight this week.

    Turns out the students attended the Tucson, Ariz., mosque of Sheikh Omar Shahin, a Jordan native. Shahin has been the protesters’ public face, even returning to the US Airways ticket counter at the Minneapolis airport to scold agents before the cameras.


    In an Arizona Republic interview after 9/11, he acknowledged once supporting Osama bin Laden through his mosque in Tucson. FBI investigators believe bin Laden set up a base in Tucson.

    Hani Hanjour, who piloted the plane that hit the Pentagon, attended the Tucson mosque along with bin Laden’s onetime personal secretary, according to the 9/11 Commission Report. Bin Laden’s ex-logistics chief was president of the mosque before Shahin took over.

    “These people don’t continue to come back to Arizona because they like the sunshine or they like the state,” said FBI agent Kenneth Williams. “Something was established there, and it’s been there for a long time.” And Shahin appears to be in the middle of it..

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

Another item:
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Detailed accounts of the incident varied. Witnesses, including a number of passengers and US Airways employees, said they heard some of the men making anti-American remarks and chanting “Allah,” first as they boarded the plane and then when led off, Mr. Hogan said.

Others said the men behaved strangely once on board, with some asking for seat belt extensions, the police report said. “I did not see they actually needed them,” one flight attendant wrote in a statement given to the police. “They were not overweight.”


(Seat belt extensions mak nice weapons)

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/22/us/22muslim.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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« Reply #109 on: November 24, 2006, 11:22:35 AM »
Political correctness is making us weak. And they exploit it.

It's a no win situation - discriminate them and lose the PC battle. Not discriminate and lose the building / plane whatever.

I say return their Jihad with a good old fashion crusade and burn the PC people while we're at it.
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« Reply #110 on: November 24, 2006, 01:32:37 PM »
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It is a belief though.

So ban all beliefs! Whether is for or against religion! :)


The term atheism is too vague for this matter. If you are talking about strong atheism , then you are right, but you can't include weak atheism.

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We had a similar case here in Spain, even more bizarre. For some germans spaniard + beard = muslim. (besides muslim + airplane = terrorism).

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/28/world/main2051235.shtml