Author Topic: Removed from plane for prayer (Read 2657 times)

lukster · « **Reply #75 on:** November 22, 2006, 01:25:26 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
Sir, you've just described a privilege.

The privlege is being on private property, in this case on the plane. It is an inalienable right to practice one's religion and to have freedom of speech.

Suave · « **Reply #76 on:** November 22, 2006, 01:30:01 AM »

“If we think of religion as taking a position on divinity, then atheism is indeed a form of religion.”

"If" being the operative word.

To an atheist nothing is divinity.

The statement then becomes: "If we think of religion as taking a position on nothing, then atheism is indeed a form of religion.”

Logic is better than quoting other people. It's a universal constant, it's free and, unlike courts, it's never wrong. Embrace it, then you can start quoting yourself in the thrid person.

Despite what the TV tells us, I must heed the ultimate authority, logic.

If you can't understand why believing that nothing is god isn't a religion, well, I can't help you.

Sandman · « **Reply #77 on:** November 22, 2006, 01:32:18 AM »

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Originally posted by lukster
The privlege is being on private property, in this case on the plane. It is an inalienable right to practice one's religion and to have freedom of speech.

It's quite alienable on private property. This BBS is a perfect example of that. Freedom of expression is limited by the owners. They censor, edit and ban posters that violate the published policy.

lukster · « **Reply #78 on:** November 22, 2006, 01:34:50 AM »

I find your logic faulty. The statement presupposes that religion is taking a position on divinity and concludes that since atheism takes a position on divinity it is therefore religious in nature. You want to refute their conclusion take it up with the court.

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Originally posted by Suave
“If we think of religion as taking a position on divinity, then atheism is indeed a form of religion.”

"If" being the operative word.

To an atheist nothing is divinity.

The statement then becomes: "If we think of religion as taking a position on nothing, then atheism is indeed a form of religion.”

Logic is better than quoting other people. It's a universal constant, it's free and, unlike courts, it's never wrong. Embrace it, then you can start quoting yourself in the thrid person.

Despite what the TV tells us, I must heed the ultimate authority, logic.

If you can't understand why believing that nothing is god isn't a religion, well, I can't help you.

lukster · « **Reply #79 on:** November 22, 2006, 01:37:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
It's quite alienable on private property. This BBS is a perfect example of that. Freedom of expression is limited by the owners. They censor, edit and ban posters that violate the published policy.

They can only deny me access to their property. They cannot punish or deny me in any other way. So long as I act in accordance with the law of the land.

Sandman · « **Reply #80 on:** November 22, 2006, 01:43:14 AM »

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Originally posted by lukster
They can only deny me access to their property. They cannot punish or deny me in any other way. So long as I act in accordance with the law of the land.

True enough, but even if you act within the bounds of the law, the owners of this BBS can edit or delete your posts.

Any speech here is not Constitutionally protected.

lukster · « **Reply #81 on:** November 22, 2006, 01:51:10 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
True enough, but even if you act within the bounds of the law, the owners of this BBS can edit or delete your posts.

Any speech here is not Constitutionally protected.

I agree that private property owners should have the right to decide who uses their property. I'm not sure this right is being respected by our government. Certain cities are outlawing smoking in private establishments for example. That's been hashed and rehashed already though and I've hijacked this thread long enough.

I'm very curious about the seat belt extenders. Were these guys big enough to need them? If not, I think a certain amount of suspicion was warranted.

Sandman · « **Reply #82 on:** November 22, 2006, 01:54:29 AM »

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Originally posted by lukster
I agree that private property owners should have the right to decide who uses their property. I'm not sure this right is being respected by our government.

I absolutely certain that this right is not being respected by our government.

Free speech zones? I thought our entire country (excepting private property) was a free speech zone.

lukster · « **Reply #83 on:** November 22, 2006, 01:59:33 AM »

I'd rather think that everywhere, including private property, is a "free speech zone". The only difference being that on private property you may be forced to leave if your speech offends the owner.

Suave · « **Reply #84 on:** November 22, 2006, 02:09:04 AM »

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Originally posted by lukster
I find your logic faulty.

It's not my logic, logic isn't something that can be owned. But if you think what I said was wrong, could I trouble you to tell me what is wrong with it?

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The statement presupposes that religion is taking a position on divinity and concludes that since atheism takes a position on divinity it is therefore religious in nature. You want to refute their conclusion take it up with the court.

LOL, oh my bad, I thought you were referencing these quotes as support for you opinion that atheism can be a religion.

BTW, should we consider US Air public owned? How much of our tax dollars do they get?

Speed55 · « **Reply #85 on:** November 22, 2006, 07:13:02 AM »

Isn't being an atheist, more of a title to describe not being religious?

Every religion that i know, has it's house of god, in which they worship that god.

If that's the case, how can atheism be considered a religion, if they don't believe in god, or have a house of god to worship. Like i said i think it's more of a title to describe a group of people with the same idea.
That is unless atheists congregate at a house of nothing, and all together profess their faith to the great and almighty nothing?

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #86 on:** November 22, 2006, 07:40:38 AM »

Atheism is considered a semi-religion because they deny the existence of God. Agnostics like me simply admit they do not know but refuse also to worship something based on pure belief. I.e. do not care.

myelo · « **Reply #87 on:** November 22, 2006, 08:24:23 AM »

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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Not really. Fundies might be, but then thats what they do. I work with about half a dozen Muslims, and none of them take time out from work or stop in the middle of traffic or whatever to pray. I'm sure if they can arrange it, they pray at the proper times like good believers, but they make no special effort to be accomodated for their beliefs at odd times (times that would inconvenience others).

If these guys were so serious about prayer, then they should have gotten a flight that didnt coincide with a prayer time.

Yes really, despite your personal anecdote. These were imams so they probably take their religion a little more seriously than casual Muslims. And they weren't praying on the plane, they prayed in the terminal before the flight.

icemaw · « **Reply #88 on:** November 22, 2006, 10:28:51 AM »

i would love to see what happens to 6 arse whipes armed with seat belt extensions that try to take over an air plane with 60 people on board
I know what i would do

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #89 on:** November 22, 2006, 01:27:02 PM »

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Originally posted by icemaw
i would love to see what happens to 6 arse whipes armed with seat belt extensions that try to take over an air plane with 60 people on board
I know what i would do

And when they're armed with plastic handguns and CLAIM to have a bomb, you'll be as brave still?