Removed from plane for prayer

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Sandman
The absence of religion is not a religion.

It is a belief though.

So ban all beliefs! Whether is for or against religion!

[Ripsnort]

Lefties believe:
You must remove the 10 commandments from the court house yard statue, yet also believe its an infringement on someones rights to pray on a privately-owned commercial plane?

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Lefties believe:
You must remove the 10 commandments from the court house yard statue, yet also believe its an infringement on someones rights to pray on a privately-owned commercial plane?

You bring up a good point. I think it's completely within the rights of a private company to ban prayer on one of their vehicles.

That said. It's not a Constitutional issue on private property. On public property it is.

[x0847Marine]

They were not kicked off for praying, thats an assumption made by one of the "victims".

A concerned passenger... for whatever reason... passed a note to a flight attendant expressing concerns about the men, when confronted by the crew and asked to step aside...the men refused to exit the plane... thats where thier problems start.

Airlines cant ignore passenger concerns, and I wouldn't want them to take off with several suspicious refusing to cooperate dudes on my plane ride.

[Chairboy]

Originally posted by Bronk
zealot


Bronk

They think she'd be a zealot for wearing a cross?

Insanity.

[Mickey1992]

Originally posted by Chairboy
This is stupid, why would they prevent her from wearing it?  If there's some sort of dress code that forbids jewelry, that's one thing I guess....

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"The policy does not ban staff from wearing a cross. It lays down that personal items of jewellery, including crosses may be worn - but underneath the uniform. Other airlines have the same policy."
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I have no problem with this.  It is a policy that applies equally to all 34,000 uniformed employees.  I do however have a problem with the statement below from the disgruntled employee.  She is at work and I fully support an employer's decision to prevent its employees from promoting their religion to customers.

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 "It is important to wear it to express my faith so that other people will know that Jesus loves them."
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[Chairboy]

Originally posted by x0847Marine
A concerned passenger... for whatever reason... passed a note to a flight attendant expressing concerns about the men, when confronted by the crew and asked to step aside...the men refused to exit the plane... thats where thier problems start.

Airlines cant ignore passenger concerns, and I wouldn't want them to take off with several suspicious refusing to cooperate dudes on my plane ride.

Answer honestly, would you deboard a plane without protest if someone was offended by you praying?  Seriously?

Calling them suspicious _because_ they don't want to be discriminated against for religious reasons sounds kinda like arresting someone for resisting arrest.  Kinda backwards.

[Neubob]

Their religion gives them the pleasure of certain benefits. It does, however, have its drawbacks. As with everything, if the drawbacks don't outweigh the benefits, it's all fair.

Getting tossed off a flight for offending people is a small price to pay for infinite faith and eternal paradise.

[cav58d]

In the past, the majority of attacks have come from a very specific group of people doing very specific things before the attack.  If I were on the place I would also have commented to the FA.  When lives are at stake, I don't care about being politically correct.  Maybe if a sliver of the muslim population actually condemned terror, more people would be sensitive too their culture and norms, but until then, they are going to have to deal with the prejudices and stereotypes that comes along with being part of a religion and a people, that unfortunately it seems like terrorist represent, because the majoritys inability to stand up and condemn

[Yeager]

Its an interesting problem.  Lets keep an eye on the story, see how it develops in the court system.  It does sound like these guys might be older, not stereotypical islamo suiciders and maybe got the short end of the stick

But if passeners are concerned, they should bring that up to the flight crew regardless of the perceived threat.  THe last thing we need are  passengers being reluctant to report suspicious persons for fear of being lbranded as religious bigots.   If you are concerned, report it straight away.

[Donzo]

Why did they have to do it on the plane?  

Is there some kind of "I gotta pray at this exact time everyday" thing going on here?

It just looks too much like a "let's see how far we can push this" thingy to me.

Remember those road trips as a kid?  Mom and dad telling you to go to the bathroom BEFORE you left...couldn't the same apply here?

[cav58d]

It's pretty comical that you are defending this chairboy.  Do a quick BBS search with your name and religion and you will see you are completely contradicting anything and everything you have ever said about religion in the past.  by the way.  Hows your airplane coming along?

[Chairboy]

Cav58d,

Nope, I'm consistent.  The issue here is that you're operating under false assumptions.  I invite you to find me one contradiction.  I've long stated that I think religion is silly, and I've also said that it's silly that each group of silly people thinks that the other silly people are somehow more silly than they are.  It's a pot calling the kettle black (and silly).

Believing in personal liberties does not stop with only supporting the liberties you agree with.  If that were the case, then only the popular freedoms would ever apply.  This was in Britland, so it's not a constitutional issue, but it is still a liberties issue in general.

[Mickey1992]

Originally posted by Chairboy
This was in Britland....

The passengers being removed from the plane was in Minnesota.  The disgruntled airline employee was in Britland.

[Hap]

Originally posted by Chairboy
it's become acceptable to discriminate against these guys

distinguish

  • verb 1 recognize, show, or treat as different. 2 manage to discern (something barely perceptible). 3 be an identifying characteristic of. 4 (distinguish oneself) make oneself worthy of respect.

During these mad times, it's our failure to discriminite -- to note the difference between things -- that breeds so much ill.  


prejudice

  • noun 1 preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or experience. 2 unjust behaviour formed on such a basis. 3 chiefly Law harm that may result from some action or judgement.

"Prejudice" still troubles humanity.  Lack of discrimination troubles us more it almost seems.  We're not "all the same."  Some people are evil.  Some are good.  Some swing back and forth.  The acts we perform, the ideas and wants which give rise to our acts, and ultimately, the beliefs we hold which drive both have skewed our world.  Aristotle was right: Quiditas?  

Regards,

hap