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« Reply #75 on: November 25, 2006, 06:55:08 PM »
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You said this:

The only "They" that you refer to that has enough power is the government.  I can tell that you didn't mean insurance companies because you mention them later.


I'm so glad I have you around to tell me what I meant to say. :rofl
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« Reply #76 on: November 26, 2006, 01:51:33 AM »
This one won't fly. By and large... people like their drink too much and they will not support regulating their own behavior.  At least not nationally (a lot's changed since Prohabition). However, the "piss test" model with the second gas cap might just play in the heartland :)

Locally, in areas like ILL, Mass., NY, and LA/San Fran it could be different. I bet if Daley gets the AWB passed state wide (ILL) this might be some more low hanging fruit to go after -- perhaps mandatory with teen drivers (a safe group to go after) or something. There have been a number of underaged auto deaths in the Tribune lately -- racing and alcohol -- so it's good crusade material. Nanny laws tend to work best on minority behavior or very-low interest mass behaviors.  Trans fats, for example, as long as their is another "good" fat waiting in the wings.


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« Reply #77 on: November 26, 2006, 04:21:56 AM »
What about if you live in International Falls or Fairbanks and have a remote start so that your car is warm when its 10s of degrees below?

What... you have to run out and breathe into your car so the remote start unit works?
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« Reply #78 on: November 26, 2006, 05:53:55 AM »
No country in the world has higher blood-alcohol limits than the US. That certainly has to be a factor in the high death rate from alcohol-related accidents. Alcohol-related traffic deaths are over 40%, some 17,000 per year. That means that about 200,000 people sustain injuries requiring hospitalization from alcohol-related crashes.

Someone who would be considered drunk in some other countries, would not even be considered an alcohol-related statistic in the US, therefore,  the actual rate of alcohol-related deaths and injuries is higher than reported.

Those are 'genocidal' numbers.

There is no greater deterrent than severe punishment. No one has the right to drive drunk. You certainly don't want to get caught driving drunk in Japan since they strengthed the penalities. Here's why:

The legal definition of drunk driving is 0.0025% blood-alchohol. The limit in the US is over 3 times that level.

Driving under the influence is 0.0015% - one small glass of beer. If you're caught at a checkpoint, you're going to pay a fine of about $3,000, have your license suspended for up to one year, and (here is the kicker...) your employer is going to either fire you, or suspend you from work without pay for about 3 months.

That is for driving under the influence (one beer). If you're drunk (less than 1/3 the limit in the US), you'll likely lose you job, license, pay about a $5,000 fine. You don't want to know the punishment for hurting or killing someone after drinking that glass of beer. You're going to prison for up to 15 years. No parole or time off for 'good behavior' in Japanese prison.  Your 'good behavior' stopped the minute you were convicted and sentenced.

The death rate for alcohol-related accidents dropped to about 5% after those draconian measures were adopted. Remember that it is at least 40% in the US with 3 times the legal limit of alcohol allowed.

Draconian punishment? Sure, but I support it. I think it's more effective than these machines will ever be.

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« Reply #79 on: November 26, 2006, 06:43:06 AM »
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Crackdown hard on people who disable their system. Make it required safety equiptment just like seatbelts. It will save lives, bottom line.
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 BS !

 You wanta put teeth into the DUI laws ? Put the sorryassed  Dork in jail !
 Instead of the 2 months of weekends, walking along the roadsides , stabing cans and trash with a stick ,  ....that the bastage got here in California,  that killed my son in 1989 ......

   Also,  rpm,
 you think for one minute I gona let some handsomehunked state authorised puke install one of those joke devices in my either of my two 32 Ford  Duce Hi-Boy Roadster Streetrods ? or my Vette ? ....  NFW !!!
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God the BK's are some some ugly mo-fo's. Please no more pictures, I'm going blind Bet your mothers don't even love ya cause u'all sooooooooo F******* ulgy.

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« Reply #80 on: November 26, 2006, 06:47:19 AM »
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No country in the world has higher blood-alcohol limits than the US.


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Established maximum legal BAC levels range from 0.0 mg/ml (the level of “zero tolerance”) to 0.8 mg/ml. Only a handful of countries do not set a legal BAC threshold. Out of all nations reporting to a WHO survey published in 2004, 28% set their BAC limit at a “lower” level (0.0-0.3 mg/ml), 39% set limits at a “middle” level (0.4-0.6 mg/ml), and 26% have adopted a “higher” limit (0.6 and above).11 Only 7% of countries did not legislate a maximum permissible BAC level.source


So along with the USA, Canada, Ireland, UK, Switzerland, NZ, among others extablished the higher 0.8 mg/ml... more than 1 in 4 of the countried surveyed. 7% of the WHO surveyed countries did not have any threshold limit at all.
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« Reply #81 on: November 26, 2006, 07:08:57 AM »
If no limit exists, there is none with a higher "limit." I'll leave off the bold font.  ;)

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« Reply #82 on: November 26, 2006, 07:35:12 AM »
I'll keep that in mind next time we have an autobahn discussion.
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« Reply #83 on: November 26, 2006, 09:55:14 AM »
If you don't like the way I drive, stay off the sidewalk.

How about a rebuttal from DAMM? Drunks Against Mad Mothers.

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« Reply #84 on: November 26, 2006, 11:07:50 AM »
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If you don't like the way I drive, stay off the sidewalk.

How about a rebuttal from DAMM? Drunks Against Mad Mothers.


Their rebuttals can be found in the morgue.
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« Reply #85 on: November 26, 2006, 11:44:07 AM »
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Their rebuttals can be found in the morgue.


FWIW, I haven't driven under the influence since I was 17, 35 years ago and I have little respect for those who do. No subject is too serious for a little humor though.

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« Reply #86 on: November 26, 2006, 12:51:19 PM »
There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics."--Mark Twain

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« Reply #87 on: November 26, 2006, 03:07:49 PM »
"A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire

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« Reply #88 on: November 26, 2006, 03:10:03 PM »
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"A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire


is that a confession?

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« Reply #89 on: November 26, 2006, 04:07:26 PM »
Oh my..I thought MADD was a Canadian only bunch of idiots...Sorry they have expanded their stupid rants down south.

They want..

1: "Beer & Liquor stores"(Canada) closed on Sunday's..Now this makes a lot of sense...You want to watch NFL and drink(who doesn't)..you have to go(drive) to the local bar and presumably take a taxi home..Nothin like the wife waiting at the front door for u to arrive home in a cabbie.

2:..to lower the blood alcohol limit from .08% to .05%..You want a beer or glass of wine to go with your meal?...There is a cop outside waiting to arrest you and charge u as a criminal.


i am drunk right now cause i decided to drive to the liquor store this aft & bring home some horrid Canadian vodka to chase with some really great Polish pilsners.If MADD had their way i "might" have to drink & drive to enjoy a football afternoon.
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