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Offline Sniv

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« on: November 21, 2006, 07:13:54 PM »
For those adventurous ,a new software update was released today.

Tis smooth real smooth.

Can't say much more since I have to try online......

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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2006, 08:50:31 PM »
I've been using the 029 Beta 4 a bit and like it.  Movement seems more natural.  The current 028 software appears to "pivot" the view about the center of the head while 029 Beta 4 moves the pivot point down the the neck where it should be.  When you look down the head rotates forward from the neck instead of acting like you have an axle jammed through your ears.  I had to sort out a few issues regarding the translation axis when checking six and have been using 029 with TIR "Trueview" and AH "TrackIR Relative Object Move" settings both turned OFF.  With these options both turned ON it appears the pivot point moves back to the center of the head so you lose the more natural feeling.  At least this is how it works on my system (TIR 4Pro with Vector Expansion).

I can't quantify the difference in the pivot point other than to say it just "feels right" and I've even been able to turn the TIR Roll axis on.  I used to fly with this off because it just didn't seem "right" but now I like it.  Although it's still not perfect the Beta appears to be much more stable than the last Alpha 3 version so you might want to try it out.

Also, news is there is a new IR device coming out in December that takes the place of the three reflectors.  I haven't seen it but it has three LEDs which attach to your headset so you can toss your Martian antenna in the trash.
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Offline Balsy

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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2006, 08:07:24 AM »
Mace,

What is "trueview" and what is it supposed to do?

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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2006, 10:03:37 AM »
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Mace,

What is "trueview" and what is it supposed to do?

Balsy


Trueview is supposed to correct the problem that some have been having with the translation axis that I discussed here .   According to NaturalPoint that's all it does.

In a nutshell the translation axis are either "locked" to the centerline (CL) of the airplane or are "locked" to your direction of view.  When locked to CL whenever you move your RL head to the left the virtual head ALWAYS moves to the left side of the cockpit regardless of the actual direction you're looking.  With the axis locked to the direction of view your movements are always relative to what you're seeing on the monitor.  I have never been able to figure out why someone would want the translation axis locked to the CL because it completely dorks up the natural movement when facing any direction but straight ahead.

I haven't been able to figure out why, but there are some who complain that the "defaut" translation axis are locked to CL.  This is not the case with my system, mine has always been locked to my view direction.  Whichever way your system is the Trueview feature reverses it so if your axis are locked to CL then turning Trueview ON will switch the axis to your direction of view.   In my case, turning Trueview ON switches me from direction of view to locked to CL.  

It gets more complicated.   AH has the "TrackIR Object Relative Move" function which is selected from the view options menu.  TrackIR ORM does almost exactly the same thing as Truview does.  If you're locked to CL you can turn ORM on and you're now locked to direction of view, and visa versa.  So, in my case, if I have Trueview ON my axis are dorked so then I turn ORM ON and it corrects it back.  Got it?  That's why I operate with both "features" turned OFF since they're both just canceling each other out.  One last complication.  I mentioned ORM is "almost" exactly the same as Trueview.  Where it differs is that to me, ORM appears to cancel out the new virtual head pivot point that is the main reason for .029 and you lose the more natural movement.  In other words instead of having the pivot point at the neck it is back where it always has been which is the center of the head.

My recommendation if you're going to try out .029 is to make sure that both Trueview and TrackIR ORM are turned OFF when you first start.  I'd be real curious to hear if your axis are correct or not.  If your axis are wrong then switch JUST Trueview ON, that should fix it and you'll still  have the new pivot points.  I can't see any reason to ever have TrackIR ORM on.

So if you end up running with Trueview and ORM both off what's the point of .029?  There are a few changes including the new pivot points and movement algorythms, and they've done a few housekeeping changes (you can chose to disable the warning when you attempt to shut down TIR for instance).  The other significant change is that it'll support the new Track Clip Pro which replaces the three vector expansion reflectors.

Last, I flew with .029 quite a bit last night and it definently is more stable than the previous alpha version.  The only problem seems to be that if you look down for too long it'll lose track and your view will snap straight down.  A quick "recenter" is all that's needed to correct the problem so it's little more than an annoyance.
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Offline Sniv

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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2006, 07:03:37 PM »

Also, news is there is a new IR device coming out in December that takes the place of the three reflectors.  I haven't seen it but it has three LEDs which attach to your headset so you can toss your Martian antenna in the trash......

Just what I need,the wife has been bugging me about the antenna's which are tastefully duct taped to an old walkman headset sans speakers  and in turn taped to an old ball cap. Crude but effective .

Now 3 leds attached to my headset :eek:

What abuse will I get now.:rofl

Now that you mention it I will fire up fraps and try a few tests and see if I can make  a table.

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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2006, 10:14:59 PM »
Tell her they're "friggen lazers":D
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2006, 09:38:23 AM »
This?


 http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/02-products/product-TrackClip-PRO.html

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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2006, 05:19:51 PM »
Well as noted a brief overview of AH2 with TIR4 beta 29

Truview  ORM   Note
on           on     What I am using right now. A bit stilted for rear views


on           off     Weird though a bit more free than the above but it            seems that you have velcro attached to you head

off           off    Maces suggested choice .It is the most flexible, but it may lead to a bad sense of motion sickness  in those suceptible.

off           on   Not as flexible as off off but strange , as if your head has an invisible football in front of it since when you turn to look keft your head gets shoved right into what would be the canopy.

To give you an idea a quick look is found here

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=1980072975404637115


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