Author Topic: MW : spitVIII/Typhoon perked and Mossie/51B free ?  (Read 902 times)

Offline straffo

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MW : spitVIII/Typhoon perked and Mossie/51B free ?
« on: November 22, 2006, 02:50:46 PM »
hahem ?

Doesn't sound logical.

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Re: MW : spitVIII/Typhoon perked and Mossie/51B free ?
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2006, 03:12:43 PM »
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hahem ?

Doesn't sound logical.


It is almost -
Tiffy - Dominates the MW planeset
VIII - Great all-rounder, it's the relatively ignored gem of the Spits.
Mossie - No need to perk, none of its performance warrants it.
P51B - Hmm, think it should carry a small perk.
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2006, 03:16:45 PM »
If I can land 6 kill in a P51B it should be perked.

P51B was in the old arena and still is a pretty decent plane better than the D except in for the gun package.

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Re: Re: MW : spitVIII/Typhoon perked and Mossie/51B free ?
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2006, 03:18:24 PM »
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It is almost -
Tiffy - Dominates the MW planeset
VIII - Great all-rounder, it's the relatively ignored gem of the Spits.
Mossie - No need to perk, none of its performance warrants it.
P51B - Hmm, think it should carry a small perk.


VIII- awesome plane.  perked midwar?  :mad:
« Last Edit: November 22, 2006, 03:22:02 PM by JB88 »
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2006, 06:29:47 PM »
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P51B was in the old arena and still is a pretty decent plane better than the D except in for the gun package.


Nah the B is slower under about 13k and has a lesser climb rate under 10 than the D. Where most fights happen (under 10k), the D is better than the B in everything except sustained turn rate - which the diff is pretty small.
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2006, 06:45:32 PM »
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Nah the B is slower under about 13k  


Actually, the B is a bit faster than the D down low...

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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2006, 08:30:45 PM »
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Actually, the B is a bit faster than the D down low...

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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2006, 09:10:59 PM »
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Actually, the B is a bit faster than the D down low...

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The P-51B is slower than the P-51D below 13,000 feet. The P-51D climbs better than the B below 10,000 feet.


Tossing in the F4U-1A, F4U-4 and Tempest for comparison.. (Edit: all speed numbers taken from actual testing with 25% fuel, zero burn)

Speed at sea level...

P-51B: 358 mph
P-51D: 366 mph
F4U-1A: 366 mph
F4U-4: 376 mph
Tempest: 388 mph

Speed at 16,000 feet...

P-51B: 424 mph
P-51D: 408 mph
F4U-1A: 411 mph
F4U-4: 425 mph (F4U-4 reaches 430 mph at 17,000 feet)
Tempest: 425 mph (Tempest reaches best speed of 433 mph at 17,000 feet)

At 20,000 feet...

P-51B: 421 mph (P-51B reaches best speed of 443 mph at 27,500 feet)
P-51D: 425 mph (P-51D reaches best speed of 441 mph at 25,000 feet)
F4U-1A: 419 mph (Best speed at best altitude)
F4U-4: 440 mph (F4U-4 reaches best speed of 446 mph at 25,000 feet)
Tempest: 425 mph

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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2006, 09:29:39 PM »
I think the rational for un-perking the B has to do with its fighter ability.  While it does have an insane top speed for the area has little to do with it's capability as a fighter.  
Sure, it's nice to boom and zoom, but the La-5 eats it for lunch, so does any MW Spitfire.  It accelerates like a city bus, has a gun package equivalent to the F4F, and has the turn radius of a MAC truck. The Bf-109F4 can turn loops inside it, and the La-5 can out accelerate it, out climb it to 20k, and out guns it.

And we wonder why Hitech unperked it?
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2006, 09:45:28 PM »
I think the most logical explanation is from the ENY numbers.  The La5, P51B, F4U-1, BF110c, P47D11, etc. all had similar ENY values around 35-40 (once upon a time in the old MA).  The spit8 and Typhoon  both had similar values that were about ENY 10.  In the MW arena, the ENY values were lowered for the former plane set and the latter were slightly perked.

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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2006, 03:30:28 AM »
Why would you perk the Mossie?  It is hobbled by the flame dampers as it is.
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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2006, 06:33:08 AM »
Spit 8 is perked since there are plenty of spits - good spits, to play with free and so there's something for the spit drivers to spend their perks on.

Typh is perked otherwise it would be the ultimate dweeb ride in this areana. Nothing can catch it and it carries 2*2000, which is a lot in the MW. The only other fighters capable of that are the P38 and the F6F-5 (since we don't have the -3) and they are much easier to intercept.

P51B is free because it's the only P51 here. It would drive away a big crowd if they had not planes from their line for free, especially the popular 51s. It carries moderate bomb load and have weak guns, although it is an excellent platform. It does not vastly out perform plans like the F4U, La5 (if at all).

Mossie is free because it has nothing special to offer. It is pretty fast for the setup but most fighters can catch it. It carries a respectable bombload, but not a lot better than the average jabo. It handles horribly and lights up like it's soaked in kerosin.

The low cost of the Typh and spit8 give some use to the perks. I'd gladly pay a fistfull of perks for a P47D-23 or some other late razorback... pretty please :D
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« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2006, 12:42:45 PM »
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The P-51B is slower than the P-51D below 13,000 feet. The P-51D climbs better than the B below 10,000 feet.


 


Hmm, I stand corrected then, I guess my subjective experience was an illusion or happenstance. Widewing, what do you have for the Typhoon under those same parameters?

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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2006, 12:46:52 PM »
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Hmm, I stand corrected then, I guess my subjective experience was an illusion or happenstance. Widewing, what do you have for the Typhoon under those same parameters?

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« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2006, 03:06:41 PM »
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Spit 8 is perked since there are plenty of spits - good spits, to play with free and so there's something for the spit drivers to spend their perks on.


Spit8 is perked because it is good allover. Its main feat is yo be faster than a spit9 and conserves E better. Its a pretty fearfull boom and zoomer and can escape/kill the faster planes in MW with tight turns. It has extanded internal fuel compared to a spit9 and is very suitable for high cap. I wont make a complete plane description as Kev is way better at that, but IMO its the best MW fighter.

AND BTW I'm a sissyfire noob vulcher ramer HOer and the rest :D Proud of it

Our mossie can't be a perk plane seriously, its mainly a ground attack plane to me, even if you can still make good boom and zoom in it, but 1 ack hit will most of the time put your plane in fire, or wound/kill your pilot. I use it for gv hunting personnally, its perfect to divebomb flaks and has a good climb speed when heavy. But a good pilot in a single engine plane (or P38) will kill you.

P-51B is a great ride (fast, stable, good rolls, lots of flaps levels), but spit8 food (muahaha), you can't perk a gun package that low. Nobody would fly it anymore. Straffo You got X kills with it because you are good (yes he's a squaddie), and your main ride is yak9u, wich has even fewer ammo and firepower. No wonder you can get lots of kills in a 51B.

The typhie really dominates I think, guns, speed, loadout, turns like a brick on first approach but with some training you can do surprising things in it (ask Coach).

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