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Offline SgtPappy

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why spit14 is perked and not 16
« Reply #45 on: December 26, 2006, 06:00:10 PM »
mistake on my part, the Spit 16 outturns the 8 according to Gonzo's tests, doesnt outclimb and outrun.

Btw, Bald Eagle, the 266 is the 66, but built by Packard, requiring different tools for maintain.
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« Reply #46 on: December 26, 2006, 09:17:16 PM »
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mistake on my part, the Spit 16 outturns the 8 according to Gonzo's tests, .

 


This would depend on fuel load .  Remember 25% fuel in a MK VIII is a bit more then 25% in the XVI.


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« Reply #47 on: December 26, 2006, 09:34:21 PM »
the Mk8 is really not the best of turn fighters. remember the spitfire evolved many times to combat the excelent performance of the German aircraft designers. the mk8 is a fantastic E fighter that can pull alot of turn fighting tricks but.

the 16 we have is like any other spit except HT seems to have coad it slicked up with hyper go juice. its an outstanding performer for aceshigh.

the mk9 is wierd also because it flies like a turn fighter, more so than the mk8, possibly the result of the fuel tanks.

only real turn fighter is the mk5 or seafire. these are planes that once you enter a turn fight you aint leaving untill you have killed everything or been shot yourself.

i have very little experience of the mk14 but the mk16 is remarkable easier to get kills in for me. i dont like the mk14 as a gun platform, i think 5 prop blades does something to my head and makes me miss my shots and rip the wings off.

essentially the mk14 is a perk plane because its a rare elitist choice and it was the best of the spitfires for many years in AH.

the mk16 doesnt need a perk because its like the la7, its a readily available, relatively simple to fly power weapon. HTC probably realise that to make thier game fun for a larger audience they need to arm a noob with something formidable to give them the best chance of enjoying the two week trial. To heavily perk all the best planes would cut a huge hole in the ratio of two weekers that sign up, im geussing.
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« Reply #48 on: December 26, 2006, 10:00:23 PM »
Speaking as an average flier. IMHO   The Mk IX has the best balance for dog fighting. Has a bit more power and ammo than the Mk V.  Turns tighter than the Mk VIII, XIV, and the XVI.

I just like it better than the VIII and the XVI.



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Edit: Ohh and the Mk IX has the pink skin .:D
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« Reply #49 on: December 26, 2006, 10:09:20 PM »
The Spit8 will snaproll at a rate that makes me ill, but I prefer the IX and XVI. I find the IX to be a more stable platform, while the XVI seems to have a little more punch with the 50s, as well as being better suited to the type of fights I prefer.
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« Reply #50 on: December 26, 2006, 10:09:27 PM »
SgtPappy, the 16 out runs AND out climbs the 8. It's got way more power, engine-wise, and can climb faster and attain a level speed faster than that of the 8. Not by much, but by enough. Actually I think the 8 is a little too powerful. It's only 10mph slower than the 16 and has almost an identical climb rate at all altitudes. It's very redundant to have both.

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« Reply #51 on: December 26, 2006, 10:15:28 PM »
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SgtPappy, the 16 out runs AND out climbs the 8. It's got way more power, engine-wise, and can climb faster and attain a level speed faster than that of the 8. Not by much, but by enough. Actually I think the 8 is a little too powerful. It's only 10mph slower than the 16 and has almost an identical climb rate at all altitudes. It's very redundant to have both.




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It's got the same engine . Why wouldn't the VIII be a close match for the XVI?



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« Reply #52 on: December 26, 2006, 10:26:03 PM »
I thought our "8" had less boost than our "16". Thus the 16 is faster and climbs better. If they had the same engine exactly, the 16 would be faster in the level but worse in the climb due to the clipped wings. However, even with the loss of wing surface it still climbs better than the 8, so it must therefore have a stronger engine, to not only compensate for the clipped wings but to also surpass its younger brother.

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« Reply #53 on: December 26, 2006, 10:31:39 PM »
Nope XIII and XVI same boost.
Remember at 25% fuel is not the same for these AC.

25% fuel on take off with VII with wep on gives 13 min of fuel.
25% fuel on take off with XVI with wep on gives  9 min of fuel.

This fuel weight makes a noticeable diff.



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Edit: This is at fuel burn 1.0.
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« Reply #54 on: December 26, 2006, 10:35:05 PM »
Well it ought to be easy enough to test... Up a VIII, set fuel burn extremely high as you fly around, drain the wing tanks, then coast while you set fuel burn to zero then test with full fuselage tanks only. Then with burn still at zero test the XVI at full fuel (no wing tanks to burn).

In this game, at least, the 16 has a big benefit for acceleration. It's a frikkin' UFO (with laserbeams on its frikkin' head!), and it seems to pull moves that the 8 cannot.

However, going back to the thing I mentioned before... If they are the same, why do we have both? Seems redundant (again).

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« Reply #55 on: December 26, 2006, 10:39:24 PM »
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SgtPappy, the 16 out runs AND out climbs the 8. It's got way more power, engine-wise, and can climb faster and attain a level speed faster than that of the 8. Not by much, but by enough. Actually I think the 8 is a little too powerful. It's only 10mph slower than the 16 and has almost an identical climb rate at all altitudes. It's very redundant to have both.


LOL Come on Krusty.  I could say that about 109s cause I don't care as much about 109s.  How many G models do we need?  I won't say it though cause the guys who love 109s are going to want the historical counterparts, whether it be for the MA or for scenaros.


If you are a Spit fan at all, the differences are huge.

Not a single Spit XVI left the ETO.  The VIII did the Med and the Pacific.  That  in itself is reason enough.

More range, Universal wing, short span ailerons, full span wing, vs shorter range, clipped E wing, more ord etc.

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« Reply #56 on: December 26, 2006, 10:41:27 PM »
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Nope XIII and XVI same boost.
Remember at 25% fuel is not the same for these AC.

25% fuel on take off with VII with wep on gives 13 min of fuel.
25% fuel on take off with XVI with wep on gives  9 min of fuel.

This fuel weight makes a noticeable diff.



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Not the same boost.  In essence we have the 43-44 VIII and the 44-45 XVI.  12 boost vs 16 boost.

Fuel load and weight make a difference for sure.  Clipped wing bird would be a bit faster too.
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« Reply #57 on: December 26, 2006, 10:43:31 PM »
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Well it ought to be easy enough to test... Up a VIII, set fuel burn extremely high as you fly around, drain the wing tanks, then coast while you set fuel burn to zero then test with full fuselage tanks only. Then with burn still at zero test the XVI at full fuel (no wing tanks to burn).

In this game, at least, the 16 has a big benefit for acceleration. It's a frikkin' UFO (with laserbeams on its frikkin' head!), and it seems to pull moves that the 8 cannot.

However, going back to the thing I mentioned before... If they are the same, why do we have both? Seems redundant (again).



Umm krusty go to gonzo's page . The Mk XVI is not much better than the Mk XVI.

Why we have 2 . Range on the Mk VII is much better . The Mk XVI has better ords capability.
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« Reply #58 on: December 26, 2006, 10:49:34 PM »
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Not the same boost.  In essence we have the 43-44 VIII and the 44-45 XVI.  12 boost vs 16 boost.

Fuel load and weight make a difference for sure.  Clipped wing bird would be a bit faster too.



Hmm then gauge is wrong. Just tried off line .  Both the VIII and the XVI go to 18 lbs.

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« Reply #59 on: December 26, 2006, 10:56:02 PM »
Interesting. From memory, going back to the discussions about spits before they were updated, I thought the idea was to have different boosts for both.

Bronk: I did check Gonzo's page, but I also remembered that the 16 is the fastest unperked spit by about 10-15mph. The charts all run together at Gonzos because the scale is so large, but you can guesstimate about 10mph difference there as well.