109s AGAIN

[wrag]

The 109's are porked AGAIN.  Or at least they were last I flew.

A K4 can't catch a pony D OTD.  Used to but now it can't.

May try one more time to get the G14 replaced with a G10 or a G10 added.

The 2 are NOT the same plane although several try to claim such.

The G10 is the plane the K4 later became with a top speed right at 428.  Also it was reported as being able to climb to 20K in 6 minutes.  And should hold E very well.  At a site I found on the net the final version of the G10 is reported as able to do 450 Plus.  

The G14 was known as the Super Bulge with a top speed of 408.  Which BTW I can't get out of our G14.  This with NO DT and only the 20mm nose cannon.  Also it is reported as being a GROUND attack model.  And bleeds E terribly!  I want a LW ground attack i'll fly a 110 or a f8.

Look at the figures for the G10 and the G14 here.

http://www.adlertag.de/mainindex.htm

The lines of the 2 planes are VERY different.  G10 is smooth, G14 is like a very heavy person pushing out of their girdle.

Thus IMHO there is a BIG hole in the LW plane set!

I TRUELY HATE the 30mm in it's present configuration.

And the K4 here.

http://www.adlertag.de/mainindex.htm

Please note the speed for the G10 listed at the top of the page.

And I know Martin Cardin is not consider the greatest authority but in his book on the 109 the G14 is clamed to be a GROUND SUPPORT aircraft, AND in some cases carried 5 20mm!!!  The hub cannon and 2 under wing gondales under each wing.

Also in his book the K4 when they 1st came out had a hub mounted 20mm!!!!!!!

I confess I would be VERY happy if the K4 was given that option.

I thank You for your time.

[B@tfinkV]

rubbish.


sorry wrag, but no.


109s are uber, 109F and G6 owns anything.


the problem is that the P-fifty-runs are already going 500mph as they pass you.   they plan to shoot-miss-run-run-run-run-climb-shoot-miss-run all day.


just ignore them they go away.

[eilif]

[wrag]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
rubbish.


sorry wrag, but no.


109s are uber, 109F and G6 owns anything.


the problem is that the P-fifty-runs are already going 500mph as they pass you.   they plan to shoot-miss-run-run-run-run-climb-shoot-miss-run all day.


just ignore them they go away.

Sorry Bat but NO ....  I chased a P50 run for over 5 minutes OTD and could NOT catch it!  Couldn't close, couldn't reduce the distance between us.

AND you really think the f and g6 are uber???????????????????

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM....... ....................  who you flyin against????

[Ball]

the 109F is an amazing plane.  i adore it.

[Eagler]

^^^what he said^^^

the g2 in late war is usually a fun plane too ...

I would not say they are uber but more in line with the other planes and still need more "talent" to survive in than most. the cannons still require you to be up close for any effect unlike other cannons or most multi mg  setup allied ac

why waste your time chasin someone who'd rather run away than fight you when all you have to do is turn around & find someone who will

[jon]

Originally posted by wrag
The 109's are porked AGAIN.  Or at least they were last I flew.

A K4 can't catch a pony D OTD.  Used to but now it can't.

May try one more time to get the G14 replaced with a G10 or a G10 added.

The 2 are NOT the same plane although several try to claim such.

The G10 is the plane the K4 later became with a top speed right at 428.  Also it was reported as being able to climb to 20K in 6 minutes.  And should hold E very well.  At a site I found on the net the final version of the G10 is reported as able to do 450 Plus.  

The G14 was known as the Super Bulge with a top speed of 408.  Which BTW I can't get out of our G14.  This with NO DT and only the 20mm nose cannon.  Also it is reported as being a GROUND attack model.  And bleeds E terribly!  I want a LW ground attack i'll fly a 110 or a f8.

Look at the figures for the G10 and the G14 here.

http://www.adlertag.de/mainindex.htm

The lines of the 2 planes are VERY different.  G10 is smooth, G14 is like a very heavy person pushing out of their girdle.

Thus IMHO there is a BIG hole in the LW plane set!

I TRUELY HATE the 30mm in it's present configuration.

And the K4 here.

http://www.adlertag.de/mainindex.htm

Please note the speed for the G10 listed at the top of the page.

And I know Martin Cardin is not consider the greatest authority but in his book on the 109 the G14 is clamed to be a GROUND SUPPORT aircraft, AND in some cases carried 5 20mm!!!  The hub cannon and 2 under wing gondales under each wing.

Also in his book the K4 when they 1st came out had a hub mounted 20mm!!!!!!!

I confess I would be VERY happy if the K4 was given that option.

I thank You for your time.

wrag at what alts were these numbers taken?

[hubsonfire]

I was under the impression that our G14 was effectively just a G6 with methanol and a 30mm?

And wasnt the only difference between the G10 of old and the K4 the weapons available?

[Creton]

I fly the K4 almost exclusively,and find it to be a great competitor against any plane in the game,especially the american planes.P-51 and Hogs have a far better zoom climb than a K4 ,but once they bleed their E ,the fight quickly shifts to the 109's favor.

I've dueled lots of ponies versus 109's and very seldom lose to a pony unless I'm cheeried or vulched.Most who fly the 109 just dont employee the flaps and work for the angle enough.In a sustained turn,no ,a 109 wount turn with a pony,but by manipualting angles versus their turn ,yes you can get easily.

Once the speed drops down below 150,the pony lacks the power to pull the nose high and hang,whereas the 109 will do it with ease.


As far as the 30mm "tater" gun,I find it very accurate and deadly,the hardest shot to hit with it thopugh ,for me anyway is a dead six shot at over 400,it is best used at snapshots and deflections.


If the pony has any amount of speed over the k4 in the intial pass,it will be nea impossible to catch it,but if their E states are close to same at the merge,then catching a pony in a k4 is easy,k4 will out accelerate the pony from equal speeds.

I've posted nearly 40 films in the Training section and near all are in 109's.



Her are a couple of short fights with ponies.

http://www.badcompanysquad.com/creton/p51vs109.ahf


These are my opinions of the 109's

[Viking]

We still have the old G-10. All they did to it was remove the 20mm gun option and call it a K-4. Guess Pyro got tired of people whining for the K. The G-14 is a late-war G-6 with the Erla hood and water injection.

The K-4 and 51D have equal top speed on the deck, so if you're both already at top speed you're not going to catch the Pony until he runs out of WEP.

[Krusty]

As folks have said, we have ALWAYS had a K-4. It was always K-4 speed/climb/weight and general data. They just "called it a G10" and added a 20mm option in the nose, and gondolas. That was their way of adding 2 planes with half the work.

Real G10s were nowhere near as fast as the K4. Even the highest of the high-end G10s didn't match the K4. If you want a G10 you'll get something closer to the G14 than the K4. I'm happy with the G14. It only lacks top speed over the K4, it's better than the G6. A nice medium.

[Krusty]

Also:



The top speed differs only 3mph on the deck. No way to catch him. The 109K4's speed grows over the P51D steadily as the alt climbs, but on the deck they're nearly the same. Go up so much as even a few K and you should be able to catch them.

[icemaw]

109f is the shiznits it just plain pawnz. ya stuff runs away from it ya stuff out turns it ya a couple can outclimb it. how ever its ballanced package in the hands a of a skilled simmer well nuff said. shhh before its nmy gets adjusted.

[wrag]

IIRC the 109s had the same elevator authority up or down.  One of the fighter aces at the time the 109 was being put into action insisted that it be so and got what he isisted.  IMHO ours do not.  There are manuvers that the 109 should be able to do, but since AHII was implemented the elevator down authority has been much poorer then in AHI..................

Krusty >>> If you look at the sites and look at the K4 you will see it was derived from a G10 AND the G10 shown at the top of that chart shows a top speed equal to the K4.

Further a couple of test pilots?  recently flew a G10 against a pony D.  They reported the G10 could OUT TURN the pony.  The story is in this link

http://www.flightjournal.com/fj/store/viewissue.asp?issueid=gerf

You may have to purchase the book to read the article.  It also has articles on  other LW aircraft.  Interestingly the F6F was compared to a 190.  The results are interesting.

One of the pilots that do the tests, I think, is now deceased?

I've also noticed the LW ammo SEEMS to be lacking a mine shell?  I've gotten GOOD hits up close with 190s and 109s and it SEEMS like I do more damage with six 50 cals then with 2 13s and 4 20s ???

Maybe it me?  Maybe it's my system?  Maybe it's my connect.  Then again maybe what I'm talkin about is what is happening?  The LW ammo has done poorly for about the last 3 months maybe more.

BTW can anyone get the G14 to do 408 flying straight and level?  Don't take it much above 16k as that was it's best operating alt according to reports.  Maybe I should have tried it at higher alts, but I didn't.

I LOVED the 109s of AH!  Used to fly em almost exclusively!  Until the K4 came out that is.  IMHO the 109f4 should have the gondola option ADDED!  And the K4 should have the single 20mm option added.

As to hitting with the 30mm.  Maybe I've got POOR luck?  Didn't the folks at AH say they added in a LUCK factor?  Testing it for Combat Tour?  Not sure but seems like no matter what angle or deflection I can watch the round go WIDE and miss the target.  The 30mm leaves the barrel and goes on a wild tangent to some strange place for me.  And I usually aim at the cockpit.

Poor luck?  I used to catch on fire, get popped by puffy ack, have parts just SEEM to fall off?  Regularly!

So if LUCK has been added, I am VERY tired of having POOR luck.

[hitech]

Nothing like CT "LUCK" has been added.