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Offline Eagler

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« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2006, 07:08:41 AM »
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The 109's need to be fixed


care to explain what you think is broken?
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« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2006, 10:54:18 AM »
So let me get this right.
One  (1)  P-51-D Escapes you and 109s are now broke.
Or...
Would it be more likely that you just misjudged his E a little and he had just enough to evade?

Think I'll go with the second.

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The 109's need to be fixed


Don't mean to single out Jager here but.

What we got here folks is luftwhiner creep. Now the campaign starts with source links and data sheets .  All to the tune  of HTC is allied  bias .

I can now see why HT doesn't like to mess with the flight models.


What I think is going on is..  People have gotten used to the new FM an have changed tactics when fighting the 109.  


Of course I'm a noob dweeb so what do I know .


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« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2006, 11:00:26 AM »
not being able to land hits with 30mm and the plane  being "broke" are two different things.  

I personally dont see anything wrong with the 109s the way they are now....I dont know squat about the numbers/charts/data...I just know how they fly/perform in game....109K4 can be very dominate in any fight, but that all depends on the pilot.  I say the K4 because that is what i fly mostly, but I also enjoy the other ones on occasion.  G2 prolly my second favorite 109, and that one def has its advantages as well.
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« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2006, 11:17:15 AM »
I can see it now, back in WW2.  The pilot returns from a fight that didn't work out the way he wanted.

"My plane is broken.  It didn't do what I wanted it to do!  The other guy got away!" :)

What I don't get is why folks seem to believe their chosen ride should outperform anything else regardless of the pilot in the other plane or the situation.

The real fighter pilots had to do the best they could with what they flew. Think of all those P40 drivers that went up against superior planes and survived and even excelled.  

They didn't get to choose what they flew.  They went out and used whatever positive attributes of the plane they had and didn't fight to the other guys strengths.

None of us have flown real WW2 combat that I'm aware of.  You can find a number somewhere that tells you what you want to believe your cartoon plane should do.

Relax, go have fun :)

Tis the joy of being a 38G dweeb.  Having flown it almost exclusively, I now have a pretty good idea what it can do and what I'm capable of making it do in AH.    If I turn fight with a Zeke or a Hurri, I'll more then likely die.  So I don't turnfight em.

I sure don't run from a fight in it and I sure don't worry about it if I'm in with LA7s, Spit 16s or any other better performing bird.

It's much more fun to relax, have at it, and let my pretend WW2 pilot enjoy flying his pretend WW2 plane.

And yeah the 109s seem fine to me.  Good fun to fly em now and then :)
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« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2006, 11:25:00 AM »
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not being able to land hits with 30mm and the plane  being "broke" are two different things.  

I personally dont see anything wrong with the 109s the way they are now....I dont know squat about the numbers/charts/data...I just know how they fly/perform in game....109K4 can be very dominate in any fight, but that all depends on the pilot.  I say the K4 because that is what i fly mostly, but I also enjoy the other ones on occasion.  G2 prolly my second favorite 109, and that one def has its advantages as well.



Speaking as one being on the receiving end of a killnu tater...
Yup the 109 k4 can be very dominate. :p



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« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2006, 11:31:49 AM »
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And yeah the 109s seem fine to me.  



Not saing they are or are not.  I'd like to know how you know though.  You dont have any kills in one the last two tours but maybe you did fly them?  In any case, I'd be interested to know how you came to that conclusion :lol

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« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2006, 11:39:54 AM »
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Not saing they are or are not.  I'd like to know how you know though.  You dont have any kills in one the last two tours but maybe you did fly them?  In any case, I'd be interested to know how you came to that conclusion :lol


I still have my late son's account for nostalgia's sake.  When I'm not feeling real talkative and just feel like flying, I go up and about that way.  I was up late last night cause I couldn't sleep and was tooling around in a 109G6 just to see what the fuss was about.

As I mentioned previously I had two good 1 v 1s.  First against a Ki-84 and second against an LA7.  Won em both.  109G6 seemed to handle fine.  And as a 38G dweeb the view from the cockpit wasn't that much different :)

Corky's a 38 Dweeb.  My son used to fly just about anything, so I carry on the cause for him under his account.

As I also mentioned, I like Emil's better :)
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« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2006, 01:47:56 PM »
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not being able to land hits with 30mm and the plane  being "broke" are two different things.  

I personally dont see anything wrong with the 109s the way they are now....I dont know squat about the numbers/charts/data...I just know how they fly/perform in game....109K4 can be very dominate in any fight, but that all depends on the pilot.  I say the K4 because that is what i fly mostly, but I also enjoy the other ones on occasion.  G2 prolly my second favorite 109, and that one def has its advantages as well.


Where do I say the 109s are BROKE?

Wanna reread my post?

I'm asking for a G10 to be added as I consider the G14 VERY INFERIOR to the G10.

Some claim they are the same plane.  They are NOT.  The G10 is at least 20mph faster then the G14.  The G10 has MUCH cleaner lines, the G14 was called the UBER BUEL due to all the BULGES it had.  The BULGES interfere with the E retention and create DRAG.  The G14 bleeds E badly!  Fly a K4 and cut throttle and see how long it takes to slow down and then do the same with the G14.  There is a difference.  If you bother to read my post you will also see that the G14 in most cases is refered to as a GROUND SUPPORT aircraft!  And while carrying out this role it was NOT unkown for the G14 to carry bombs, rockets, and as many as 5 20mm cannons!!!

Further the G10 was reported to climb to 20K in 6 minutes!  Our G14 can't!

Further I am unable to get our G14 to do 408 mph, which was it's reported top speed.  I've tried without DT or underwing gondolas.

I am further asking that the F4 be given underwing gondolas.  It used to have them and now does not.

The 30mm, yes I'm complaining about it.  Yes I've gotten some hits at distances greater then 400 yds.  BUT that was purely by accident.  Fired 3 times once high, once medium, and once low, at a niki that just HAPPENED to fly into one of the areas i fired at just in time to run into a shot.  But when I saddle up and fire from anything vaguely close to the 6 oclock position I watch the round go anywhere but to the target. This even at under 100 yds. When I fire a deflections shot at anything over 100 yds the round goes somewhere wierd, over 50% of the time misses, and I nearly ram the target.  And once or twice at under 100 yards the round still went wierd and missed.

I'm also requesting that E retention on some planes be checked.  As they now SEEM to hold E for a very long time.  Longer then they used to IIRC.

Someone SEEMS to be trying to say I'm calling the situation ALLIED BIAS.  I fail to see where that is the case.  I stated that a problem with some planes retaining too much E after a patch has OCCURED before.

IMHO allot of ASSUMING is going on here without actually reading what was posted or the links posted!

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Read the post please!  Read the links please!
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« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2006, 02:03:54 PM »
Someone's POSTS look really FUNNAY to me.  I just CANT figure OUT why.

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« Reply #39 on: November 28, 2006, 02:19:17 PM »
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The 109's need to be fixed
by Jager...which def implies they are broke.

Now then wrag...please show me where I said anything about you stating that?
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not being able to land hits with 30mm and the plane being "broke" are two different things.

I didnt.  That post was more in response to another poster...which seemed to get Jagers post and your mixed together.

What were you saying about assuming?

edit...the G14 is not same as G10...HTC has stated in a much older thread now, that the K4 is same as G10(minus loadout options).  Whoever told you otherwise was mistaken.
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« Reply #40 on: November 28, 2006, 02:20:28 PM »
Wrag, you got it mixed up man. The G14 is an entirely new plane. The "old G10" was renamed the "new K4". THOSE planes are identical.

Historically G10s were not the same. They ranged in performance and speed from "barely better than a G14" to significantly better. Even the BEST of the G10s (and mind you this is a small percentage) still does not perform as well as the K-4 series. We always had a K-4 performance in Aces High, since the 109 was introduced, but it was simply called the G10. They knew this, but back in the opening days of the game they wanted to offer a 20mm hub gun on the 109.

If you want a new G10 added it would be somewhere between a G14 and a K4 right now. The general performance wouldn't be that different. Big whoop, so a G14 doees 4600FPM climb, rather than 4800FPM climb*. It's still one of the fastest damn climbers in the game. When I'm flying a G14 the only differences I notice are the top speed and the weapons package. The other minor differences don't really affect the outcome of my sorties.


* numbers made up, but you get the idea

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« Reply #41 on: November 28, 2006, 04:35:40 PM »
sorry guys for not getting in depth.  I think you should have the choice of weapons ex. have a 20mm nose instead of the 30mm we have now.  BESIDES, i didn't say anything was "broke" either :O :) :O

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« Reply #42 on: November 28, 2006, 04:46:26 PM »
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sorry guys for not getting in depth.  I think you should have the choice of weapons ex. have a 20mm nose instead of the 30mm we have now.  BESIDES, i didn't say anything was "broke" either :O :) :O


OT:
When i say my car needs to be fixed. It implies that something is broke and needs to be "FIXED".
What you are looking for is a modification. I'd like my car to have a twin turbo mod but that aint happening either. :p :cool:


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« Reply #43 on: November 29, 2006, 06:58:56 AM »
lol thanx for the english class :aok  I like the 109's to be modifed to have correct armanment

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« Reply #44 on: November 29, 2006, 12:09:01 PM »
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 I think you should have the choice of weapons ex. have a 20mm nose instead of the 30mm we have now.



Ummm is that modifying to to the correct armarment...or.....

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