Author Topic: .357 revolver or .45 pistol? (Read 1304 times)

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #30 on:** November 30, 2006, 12:30:46 AM »

I'd have to go with the .357/.38 for all of them. Of course I only shoot .38's in my .357, I just prefer it. The .38 special is quite competent to handle any of the listed duties (except I wouldnt go hunting with it). Get a lever action rifle chambered in .357 to go with your revolver, and you have the perfect combo. Go ahead and buy the .45 too. You can never have too many

lazs2 · « **Reply #31 on:** November 30, 2006, 09:06:25 AM »

dago...odd? I thought it was you who went off on me?

I agree that it is a matter of personal preference. I am happy to be around any enthusiast but... I really haven't said anything that isn't true... you simply have taken offence.

saving brass is not reloading... wearing out a gun or two is not vast experiance.

maybe you do know a lot about guns but just haven't shown us yet? I recall you saying that the .308 was as powerful... no...more powerful than the 3006 and that the m14 was inherently more accurate than the m1... you say that revolvers jam as often as semi autos.

you may not like the way I say something about guns but at least I am accurate in what I say. (oops.. did say a hi power was double action once).

I don't know how you can go out plinking in the great outdoors with a semi auto pistol and not admit that revolvers are superior for that at all distances... not to mention... all the brass being wasted.... it's like you never did go out shooting.

If you reloaded then you would also understand what I am saying in regards to that. You don't soooo.... you don't.

lazs

Dago · « **Reply #32 on:** November 30, 2006, 04:37:23 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
dago...odd? I thought it was you who went off on me?

I agree that it is a matter of personal preference. I am happy to be around any enthusiast but... I really haven't said anything that isn't true... you simply have taken offence.

saving brass is not reloading... wearing out a gun or two is not vast experiance.

maybe you do know a lot about guns but just haven't shown us yet? I recall you saying that the .308 was as powerful... no...more powerful than the 3006 and that the m14 was inherently more accurate than the m1... you say that revolvers jam as often as semi autos.

you may not like the way I say something about guns but at least I am accurate in what I say. (oops.. did say a hi power was double action once).

I don't know how you can go out plinking in the great outdoors with a semi auto pistol and not admit that revolvers are superior for that at all distances... not to mention... all the brass being wasted.... it's like you never did go out shooting.

If you reloaded then you would also understand what I am saying in regards to that. You don't soooo.... you don't.

lazs

Oh please lazs, you are amusing me more with every post.

Reloading does NOT make you an expert, but for some reason you keep bringing that up as if it is some magic bullet to all knowing guru status.

If I buy an RCBS press, am I in the "expert club"?

I never bothered reloading brass cartridge because I never cared to do it. I have been able to afford to buy commercial reloads, or most often factory ammo, so that is what I did.

I reload shotgun because I started reloading that when I was about 16, using a MEC 650 I bought, and still have. I have reloading untold thousands of rounds of shotgun over the years, but it doesn't make me even close to a shotgun expert.

I have said revolvers jam, I doubt that I ever said they jam more than semi's, but I did say they jam in response to your firm statements that revolvers never jam. Yes, they do jam.

I said the .308 is more accurate than the 30-06, and I still think it is. Many experts I have read on the subject stated this. I don't own a 30-06 so I take their word for it.

There is no doubt among anyone with real competitive experience that the M14/M1A is inherently more accurate than the M1 Garand. You make not like that, but as I told you before, this is the direct opinion of world recognized experts. I have even given you the name of probably the worlds foremost authority and suggested you talked to him, you only blew this off. You seem to know better, go figure.

I am amused by your constantly trying to qualify the revolver as the better weapon because you think it is more accurate at long range. Here is a shocker, most everyone knows this, a handgun is a close range weapon, a rifle is a long range weapon.

If you want an accurate long range handgun, get a Thompson Center Contender.

If the revolver is such an obviously superior weapon, why have virtually very law enforcement organization, military service, and all special ops units adopted the semi-auto as their weapon of choice? Why have sales dropped so low companies like Colt don't even bother making revolvers anymore? Why do the overwhelming majority of world class competitive shooters shoot semi-autos?

I think you should at least be honest enough to state "in my opinion", as that is all it is.

That is all I tend to offer.

Regards
dago

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #33 on:** November 30, 2006, 07:49:06 PM »

Now I know how my grandpa felt when he would look back at my brother and I on long car trips and say "Don't make me pull this car over!"

Cmon guys, fun is fun, but every thread?

lazs2 · « **Reply #34 on:** December 01, 2006, 08:39:45 AM »

dago.. until you reload you most certainly will not know what I mean by the superiority of revolvers over self shuckers for reloaders. It iis not just the money.. it is the experiance you gain..it is the variety of ammo that you can shoot that you can get no other way.

Untill you plink at unknown ranges and sized objects from 25-300 yards you will not know why magnum revolver rounds are superior to semi autos... you will simply continue to blissfully believe that no handgun can shoot farther than the backstop at 12 yards at your range.

you most certainly did say that the 308 was more powerfull and had better ballistics... I had to paste the ballistic tables here to show you how wrong you were. I also explained that the gas system was INHERENTLY more condusive to accuracy in the M1 than the M14... tuned weapons were not the subject.

And... I admit that the semi auto is superior as a belt carried full sized handgun that is carried by inexperianced people who will probly never have to fire it. A great backup gun for people who are not ever going to use it...revolvers are harder to teach the level of people we hire with or PC hampered tax dollars to use them and... more dangerous.

the subject here was what would be the best for a number of situations. I have explained why the revolver was best for them.

Now....

If you want to change the situations to...

1) What is the best belt carried handgun for inexperiance people to carry?

2) what is the best handgun to play scripted shooting games at short ranges that require no recoil and speed of fire and high capacity?

3) what is the best handgun for looking really modern?

then I would have to say that the semi auto would be the best in all three of those situations.

lazs

Dago · « **Reply #35 on:** December 02, 2006, 11:30:45 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
dago.. until you reload you most certainly will not know what I mean by the superiority of revolvers over self shuckers for reloaders.

Oh? Now it is better just for reloaders, you mean you are retracting all the comments where the revolver was a better handgun for every reason?

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you will simply continue to blissfully believe that no handgun can shoot farther than the backstop at 12 yards at your range.

Did you fail to actually read my post?

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I also explained that the gas system was INHERENTLY more condusive to accuracy in the M1 than the M14... tuned weapons were not the subject.

Lets see, you are absolutely convinced you know more than a man who has spent his whole life working with the M1 Garand and M14, and I mean his personal and professional life. Yeah, the man was on the Armys Marksmanship Unit for years, who competed in the intrnational competitions for years, firing thousands upon thousands of rounds through both rifles, who functioned as an armorer on that team, and later opened his own firearms manufacturing company, where he secured BATF approval to convert M14s to semi-auto for sale to the public. Ever hear of Elmer Balance? Devine Texas? He spent his entire adult life with those two rifles, it was his occupation. He is one of the finest gunsmiths on battlerifles that ever came down the path. I told you his opinion, you blew it off as if he knows nothing, and you, the average hobbiest knows so much more. Incredible. You discount his opinion of the differance in gas systems, op rod lenght impact on accuracy, including harmonic distortions, etc.

Let me repeat breifly what he told me about the differance between M1 Garand and the M14, he stated the M1 Garand must be tuned and accurized to equal the rack grade M14 out of the box.

That was his statement, and you will have to excuse me if I take his word over yours, he has a heck of a lot more experience with both weapons than you and I combined.

Your belief in your superior knowledge versus true professionals is amazing.

Silat · « **Reply #36 on:** December 04, 2006, 03:46:36 AM »

Guns? I dont need know stinking carry. I have a body guard.

lazs2 · « **Reply #37 on:** December 04, 2006, 08:40:23 AM »

pay attention dago... revolvers are better for reloaders... reloaders are shooters.

revolvers are better for plinking at all distances.

revolvers are better for long range shooting.

revolvers are better for hunting.

revolvers can handle a wide variety of loads... in the same gun and in the same cyl.

.357 is the best stopper... the 340 pd is the most powerful handgun in the sub 1 lb and small size you can carry. It will fire from inside a pocket and it has no slide to move 1/8" out of battery and therefore is reliable from the pocket.

so nooo... they are not just better for reloaders.

the ought six is more powerful than the .308 (no matter what you say)

The M1 gets it's gas to operate further forward than the m14 and the bullet is gone before the gas is bled off unlike the M14... this is an inherent accuracy thing. tune is something different. an M14 can be tuned to be more accurate than an M1. If you put regulations on how much each can be tuned then the M14 may be the better weapon..

with no restrictions... the M1 will have the advantage, the m14 may be better in a restricted class match but with no restrictions the M1 gas system will allways be the superior one.

you could design a match and restrictions so that the M14 could never win over the M1 for instance... 8 shot reloads for speed... prone shooting where a mag would get in the way etc... that proves nothing.

Those are just games.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #38 on:** December 04, 2006, 08:41:47 AM »

and silat... I am not surprised... that is what your liberal heros do... they take guns from everyone else but all have armed bodyguards and armor limmos.

lazs

Silat · « **Reply #39 on:** December 04, 2006, 08:54:48 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
and silat... I am not surprised... that is what your liberal heros do... they take guns from everyone else but all have armed bodyguards and armor limmos.

lazs

What?? What is a limmos?
That was humor.. You remember laughter dont you? You got all that out of a dog gunner?
I own many weapons and have never supported taking away your gun or your civil rights as your boy Bush wants.

lazs2 · « **Reply #40 on:** December 04, 2006, 09:00:59 AM »

ah... perhaps I am wrong and you believe in the second amendment... still... the candidate you support are all enemies of the second. What good are your personal opinions if you vote to remove my rights (vote for candidates who do)?

How is GW taking away my guns? He let the bans sunset... he passed a bill to protect fireams manufacturers from being wiped out by frivolous lawsuits and appointed 2 second freindly supreme court justices.

lazs

Suave · « **Reply #41 on:** December 04, 2006, 09:04:30 AM »

Somebody thought that 308 winchester was more powerfull than 30.06? What are they teaching in school these days?

If Lazs is ever right about anything it's guns.

Only pistols I can think of that might be better for hunting and target shooting would be those weird single shots like thompson contender and I think like 30 years ago remington made a bolt action pistol.

Silat · « **Reply #42 on:** December 04, 2006, 06:02:38 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
ah... perhaps I am wrong and you believe in the second amendment... still... the candidate you support are all enemies of the second. What good are your personal opinions if you vote to remove my rights (vote for candidates who do)?

How is GW taking away my guns? He let the bans sunset... he passed a bill to protect fireams manufacturers from being wiped out by frivolous lawsuits and appointed 2 second freindly supreme court justices.

lazs

Dont know what your problem with me is Laz. I didnt vote for Bush. Apparently that is enough reason for you to not like me.
Ive been proven right so far.
Friendly SC judges? LOL. Friendly to the corps and the 1% that control 90% of the money in this country.
I never said Bush was taking your guns. You said I was:)
I said the Bush regime is trying erode our civil rights.

lazs2 · « **Reply #43 on:** December 05, 2006, 08:48:40 AM »

" own many weapons and have never supported taking away your gun or your civil rights as your boy Bush wants."

My boy Bush? and he wants to take my gun rights away? I voted for him because I had no choice.

Who the hell do you think your boy would have put on the supreme court? What do you think he would have done about the frivolous lawsuit deal? vetoed it.

Your boys and girls allways attack our gun rights. sooo... you voting for them is the same as you attacking our gun rights... you can't vote for the sierra club and say you are for private property rights or for peta and say you are a friend of the rancher.

lazs

lukster · « **Reply #44 on:** December 05, 2006, 09:58:14 AM »

Ya got two hands doncha? Why not pack both?