Dogfighting

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by Schatzi
Well, have consider the situation at hand. I wouldnt stallfight a Hurri in a 190....

I wouldn't HO a huri in a 190 either!:aok

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by Quah!
BINGO!!!

 So you agree with BB.  That is what he is saying.

Anyone one who HOs in a 1v1 or when they outnumber and opponent is just proving they have used all of their available skills up and have to resort to acts of desperation.

 

No hopefully you would use your airplane's advantages in ACM against the hurris weaknesses and not just desperately ho.  

Very well said!:aok

[hubsonfire]

I don't HO because my gunnery sucks, or because I don't know ACM, or because I'm an idiot. I HO simply because it makes guys like you whine.

[BugsBunny]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
I don't HO because my gunnery sucks, or because I don't know ACM, or because I'm an idiot. I HO simply because it makes guys like you whine.

Cut the carp Hub.  You HO because it pays good and it is tax free

[EagleEyes]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
I don't HO because my gunnery sucks, or because I don't know ACM, or because I'm an idiot. I HO simply because it makes guys like you whine.

Exactly, that is why i ho sometimes!! lol


Took the words right out of my mouth!!

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by BugsBunny
I guess you have never seen the 'What did you expect me to do? Fight in a 190 comments on 200"

Sure I have....and my pat answer is "come to the TA and I will teach you how to fight in that plane". If you think the plane you fly can only shoot headon shots, then you could prolly use a lil TA time. Are there instances (such as in the Flying Tigers episode) where a headon shot is the only option? Of course. In real life (from what I've read and from the real P40 pilot I've asked), headons were NEVER the tactic of choice...only of necessity.

As a general rule here, people chose to headon because it's the easiest shot to land a hit with (well, Hub might be the exeption ). Actually trying to out fly a better turning plane and shoot with deflection can be a lot of work...too many folks simply refuse to put out the effort.

[Kuhn]

If you don't like to HO you should learn to avoid it. If the bad guy is lookin like he is gonna HO, you do have options before it happens. Seems like most of the times I get it in the face is in a 2 or more vs 1. Fightin more than 1 opponent can be fun untill one of them decides he wants the kill and HOs you to get it, but to each his own.

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by Kuhn
If you don't like to HO you should learn to avoid it. If the bad guy is lookin like he is gonna HO, you do have options before it happens. Seems like most of the times I get it in the face is in a 2 or more vs 1. Fightin more than 1 opponent can be fun untill one of them decides he wants the kill and HOs you to get it, but to each his own.

I very rarely get hit with the HO, I have a few patented manuvers that work.  I just think that HOing is a cheap manuver in that many of us take time to fly and find a fight!  We enjoy trying to outfly/outmanuver the other guy no matter what plane we are in and no matter what plane he is in, no matter what the advantage or disadvantage.  Just upping a plane and HOing everything in sight is lame dweebery, but it rarely ever takes me down!  When I see those types(furboll/joedog31) that brag about HOing people just to pss them off, I giggle at them and then dodge their HO attempt and completely own them while spanking them back to the tower!:aok

[airspro]

I watched that show on Friday night .

Question > Why did the Japanese pilot accept that headon ?

[Ack-Ack]

IIRC in McGuire's Combat in the SouthWest Pacific manual that he mentions that the Zero/Zeke and a couple of other Japanese planes didn't have their guns set to converge, which made it easier to use head on tactics against those certain Japanese planes.

Anyone know for certain whether or not some Japanese planes didn't have their guns set to converge?


ack-ack

[Overlag]

Originally posted by Ray77
Anyone watching "dogfighting" on the History channel?

One thing I find interesting.  Ho'ing was not only acceptable it was a common American tactic against the lighter Japanese planes.

thing is, thats why HOing is a valid tactic

if you are in a plane that CANNOT outturn the other, then sometimes HO'ing is the only way....


(i said sometimes.)

[Stang]

Originally posted by Overlag
thing is, thats why HOing is a valid tactic

if you are in a plane that CANNOT outturn the other, then sometimes HO'ing is the only way....


(i said sometimes.)

There are literally 100 other things you can do besides ho...

[Overlag]

Originally posted by Stang
There are literally 100 other things you can do besides ho...

......i did say sometimes........

i RARELY HO.

but since theres virtually no incentive in this game to learn how to play it, newbies choose the easy option and thats HOing, in the fastest plane they can fly.  etc.

[Raptor]

HOing in Real life vs AH has been brought up many many times before.

The basic conclusion is:
US fighters saw the Head On shot more viable than other countries because US fighters had an average of 6 50 cal guns. US fighters carried more 50 cal than the enemy carried cannon, as well as a faster rate of fire. Therefore US fighters in a HOing position could put out a larger volume of bullets in the given time.
Against Japanese, Americans knew their planes were more durable and could take more damage, which would create more confidence in using the Head on shot.
Against German planes it wasn't as wise, Chuck Yeager found that out when he was in a HO with a 190 and lost his engine.

- In AH you start smoking you know what kind of damage you took.
- In RL the pilot saw his plane smoking and it was his best guess as to why.

- In AH we fight to the death.
- In RL you fought to live.

The controversy in AH is, when someone whines about a HO, they feel they were cheated out of a fight. My best example would be the last KOTH. My first round in was the P38J round. I made it to the final 4 without a scratch, I was coming up to 2 of the other 3 and 1 was on fire. I am confident in my capabilities in the P38 and felt I would win. I head towards the 2 planes in a shallow dive planning on passing them and reversing on them. Goldelks is on fire and in a dive, the other P38 is shooting at him still. Goldelks sees me and pulls up and HOs me removing parts preventing me from engaging in a turn fight (basically the whole point of KOTH). I have enough E that in normal MA situations I could have either landed or started to BnZ but stang then arrived with enough E to climb to the 6k ceiling. In the MA I could probably have gone higher than stang, but due to KOTH restrictions I cant. So I felt I was cheated out of being able to fight in that situation because of goldelks' (what I percieved as) cheapshot.

Then there are other people that just need an excuse as to why they were killed and accuse people of HOs, cherry picking, etc. And such people should not be taken seriously.