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Offline Billy Joe Bob

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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2006, 10:37:34 AM »
its not even from a game its just some computer graphic

Offline mussie

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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2006, 10:52:52 AM »
I would have thought that there would be a limit....

The laws of deminishing returns would have to come into play at some point.....

EG:
At 100KPH half of an average cars power is comsumed by windresistance (yes I could have worded that better ) and the faster you go the more power you need to over come the increased wind resistance....

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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2006, 11:22:00 AM »
Mussie: That's for faster, and doesn't account for changing airfoils for the purpose.  For example, a 747 has a better glide ratio than a Cessna 172 (17.7/7.5).

As you get big, the flying wing shape really shows its benefits because you are getting rid of induced drag.  If you needed non-wing cargo areas, something like a canard setup might be effective too, because that's an example of an aircraft that balances on two lifting surfaces instead of having a lifting surface (wing) and a downward pushing surface (the H-stab) fighting it out the way a conventional layout does.

Heck, when you get real big, why limit yourself to monolithic structures?  The F-16 example (purely as an exercise, it would hardly be practical) could even work if you wanted if you designed it so that each plane remained free of the wake turbulence of the others.  A hundred feet of carbon fiber rod between each wing and smart enough coordination to keep it together is an intellectual excercise that shows the limit would only be financial, not physical.
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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2006, 11:29:09 AM »
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Mussie: That's for faster, and doesn't account for changing airfoils for the purpose.  For example, a 747 has a better glide ratio than a Cessna 172 (17.7/7.5).


747 has a better glide ratio than a cessna... :huh  Your ****ting me right ?

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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2006, 12:02:02 PM »
Ball will be famous one day... can I have a print? :aok
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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2006, 12:35:42 PM »
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747 has a better glide ratio than a cessna... :huh  Your ****ting me right ?
It's true!

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/b747.htm has an L/D of 18 for the 747, for example.

Google can show a bunch of correlation on the Cessna, I've seen L/Ds of between 8 and 10, I usually figure for 9 w/ best glide.
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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2006, 12:50:14 PM »
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Zero fuel onboard during weigh in.


Bah, unusable fuel aboard is standard for weighing, otherwise some poor schmuck has to swab out the fuel tanks.(BOO!!!!!):p

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« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2006, 01:05:46 PM »
I read somewhere that they were building a really big version of this...

http://www.pvresources.com/en/helios.php


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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2006, 01:33:48 PM »


22k alt good enough? Modern lightweight materials I'm sure could get it to 30k, then it's just a question of finances to build them even bigger. Just needs a patch of land sized to it & a monstrous hangar. 65+ hour durations (with 1943 tech).

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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2006, 03:51:05 PM »
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Bah, unusable fuel aboard is standard for weighing, otherwise some poor schmuck has to swab out the fuel tanks.(BOO!!!!!):p


yeah, i was gonna get a quicky winner entry with an An-225 with teh worst fuel tanks evar

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« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2006, 06:31:28 PM »
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What in God's name is that from? Seems one shot from those 12 inchers (or whatev) would rip the guns from the wing roots. That or counter the thrust to let it hover.


LOL I'd pay real money to see that sucker fire off a salvo at 40k :)

Imagine the concussion inside the cockpit, alone, from both turrets opening up at the same time.

Like that scene in the Devil's Brigade when sarge throws a boulder on the metal crawl-through with the canucks still inside...

multiply that...................by a LOT. :D
« Last Edit: November 29, 2006, 06:34:16 PM by Red Tail 444 »

Offline Billy Joe Bob

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« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2006, 12:53:07 AM »
people always ooh and ahh at that thing

I would love to see it fire too