Author Topic: is iraq in a state of civil war? (Read 586 times)

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #15 on:** November 29, 2006, 09:17:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
uncivilized war is more like it..

you have to be < one step above an animal to condon bombing market places & churches

I think it is more political than anything with each side using their thugs in an attempt to gain power and control - and we are stuck in the middle of it

Animals don't bomb market places or churches.

Eagler · « **Reply #16 on:** November 29, 2006, 09:36:32 AM »

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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
Animals don't bomb market places or churches.

true
I owe animals an apology

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #17 on:** November 29, 2006, 11:41:00 AM »

Haven't u watch O'Reilley yesterday? He demonstrated a "NO".

-dead- · « **Reply #18 on:** November 29, 2006, 12:42:41 PM »

Not really.

A civil war basically implies just two sides, both the same nationality.

What you have in Iraq is a state that has been invaded and occupied by foreign powers and then so badly (or perhaps deliberately) mismanaged by those foreign powers that it is descending into warlordism. It's colonialism gone wrong, not a civil war.

Yeager · « **Reply #19 on:** November 29, 2006, 01:16:48 PM »

I dont know. My only educated reference for civil war is the one between the states and I cannot lay whats going on in Iraq within that reference.

I would say Iraq is more in a state of near anarchy but thats just a long distance observation I wish they (iraqis) would start loving each other more and killing each other less. I think their religion is the biggest problem.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #20 on:** November 29, 2006, 03:13:12 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I am thinking that the whole muslim world is in a state of civil war.... like the irish protestant and catholic thing but on a grand scale.

sensless... one sect of their barbaric and backward religion claiming the other is not backward and barbaric enough.

They simply want to kill each other... they enjoy it. when they get tired of killing each other or can spare the resources they will start killing non muslims again.

lazs

that really is about the size of it.

All these sects war with each other claiming theirs is the right verson.
The only time they unite is against a common enemy. Primarily Isreal and the US because we support Isreal
Well... our government does anyway

tedrbr · « **Reply #21 on:** November 29, 2006, 04:04:48 PM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
that really is about the size of it.

All these sects war with each other claiming theirs is the right verson.
The only time they unite is against a common enemy. Primarily Isreal and the US because we support Isreal
Well... our government does anyway

And we would not be there, and it would nto an issue in the western countries, if it were not for (relatively) cheap oil we depend on from the region. We would treat the Middle East like we treat Africa today. Mostly, we would ignore it.

We have the technological means and resources to become energy independent of arabian oil, if we chose to. I'ts not the expense.... American's will spend $100 Billion on the Iraqi War as things stand now when the bills come due. That could just as easily be put into a Manhattan or Apollo sized project to become energy independent as a nation.

Corn Oil, Synthetics, Oil Shale, next generation fission, serious energy conservation efforts, renewables. Brazil does it now with ehtanol. Most of their oil development is for export. Between the United States, Canada, and Mexico, we can't come up with the resources, farmland, labor, and refineries to become energy independent on the North American Continent?

But that would be inconvienent..... and too many people in power have entrenched interests in the status quo.

We instead spend it on SUV's. We spend money on military hardware to be used, abused, and eventually thrown away in a war with no end in sight. And we continue paying the ferryman with the lives of the nation's young who are willing to fight for their country. Jury is still out on how, as a nation, we'll support the returning vets in the long run from this latest war.

So, my fellow Americans, what are you willing to pay to keep the lifestyle you've become accustomed to? What are you willing to sacrifice?

KgB · « **Reply #22 on:** November 29, 2006, 08:42:08 PM »

See Rules #5, #7, #4

Viking · « **Reply #23 on:** November 29, 2006, 11:23:08 PM »

Naaaaaaw ... it's not a lost cause yet. Just send in the Governator!

JB88 · « **Reply #24 on:** November 29, 2006, 11:25:50 PM »

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Originally posted by tedrbr
And we would not be there, and it would nto an issue in the western countries, if it were not for (relatively) cheap oil we depend on from the region. We would treat the Middle East like we treat Africa today. Mostly, we would ignore it.

We have the technological means and resources to become energy independent of arabian oil, if we chose to. I'ts not the expense.... American's will spend $100 Billion on the Iraqi War as things stand now when the bills come due. That could just as easily be put into a Manhattan or Apollo sized project to become energy independent as a nation.

Corn Oil, Synthetics, Oil Shale, next generation fission, serious energy conservation efforts, renewables. Brazil does it now with ehtanol. Most of their oil development is for export. Between the United States, Canada, and Mexico, we can't come up with the resources, farmland, labor, and refineries to become energy independent on the North American Continent?

But that would be inconvienent..... and too many people in power have entrenched interests in the status quo.

We instead spend it on SUV's. We spend money on military hardware to be used, abused, and eventually thrown away in a war with no end in sight. And we continue paying the ferryman with the lives of the nation's young who are willing to fight for their country. Jury is still out on how, as a nation, we'll support the returning vets in the long run from this latest war.

So, my fellow Americans, what are you willing to pay to keep the lifestyle you've become accustomed to? What are you willing to sacrifice?

some of us have been saying the same thing for years. well stated and clear. glad to hear it said in such a clear language.

we stand at a precipice now don't we?

MrCoffee · « **Reply #25 on:** November 29, 2006, 11:30:11 PM »

Civil war, define civil war. When theres a north and a south in conflict? Not sure in this case seems like everyone is killing each other over turf. What worries me is there isnt much time left till the next president comes into office. Its almost certain he/she will withdraw troops. Anybody care to debate the topic?

JB88 · « **Reply #26 on:** November 29, 2006, 11:34:58 PM »

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Originally posted by MrCoffee
Civil war, define civil war. When theres a north and a south in conflict? Not sure in this case seems like everyone is killing each other over turf. What worries me is there isnt much time left till the next president comes into office. Its almost certain he/she will withdraw troops. Anybody care to debate the topic?

well, we can try to be that clean cut in our thinking but i really don't think that we can look to any historical president to back that up. vietnam went on after the elections...it will be the same now.

we need leadership more than anything. if we get it, we may get a clearer picture of our involvement. if we don't? i would hate to see that possibility. it leads to very dark thoughts.