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« Reply #45 on: December 01, 2006, 02:25:49 PM »
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« Reply #46 on: December 01, 2006, 02:37:42 PM »
Anybody been abducted by aliens?

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« Reply #47 on: December 01, 2006, 02:58:55 PM »
Is this a joke thread like the "is this plane real" thread ?

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« Reply #48 on: December 01, 2006, 03:15:23 PM »
Guppy, it makes me sick to my stomach trying to imagine what you are going through.

Although your story reminded me of something that maybe will be of some comfort to you:

When I was a teen, my father had a colleague who had an adopted kid originating from Sri Lanka. When he was 12-13 years old, the kid got cancer. During one of the chemotherapy session, he reacted badly to the meds and flatlined during several minutes. The docs were able to revive him but the brain damage was severe and he was physically crippled for the rest of his life (he died ~10 years later). However, there was no mental damage and he was able to go to college until the cancer finally took him.

Anyway, he had a near-death experience whe he flatlined and he told his parents that his late grandfather (not his biological grandfather) and his late cousin (again, not biological) who he named came to meet him while he was floating above his body and told him that he had to come back. Now, as a teen, it is possible that he had previously heard or read about near-death experiences. However, no one in his family remembered having told him about a cousin who died a few days after birth... before he arrived in Belgium from Sri Lanka.
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« Reply #49 on: December 01, 2006, 03:22:44 PM »
I don't think you should blame God for either accident Guppy. I don't believe God kills anyone. From God's perspective passing from life to death is but a brief transition. Of course this often leaves behind those who suffer, sometimes greatly, for the loss. God can and will comfort the sorrow of those who turn to him. This I speak of from experience. As to angels, I think I may have seen one once but no way to be sure.

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« Reply #50 on: December 01, 2006, 04:03:52 PM »
I'm sure If you asked a baby in the womb if they wanted to be born the answer would be no.  death is common to us all.  losing a child is heart wrenching but it happens every single day  we lost a child as an infant the pain will never ever go away but you deal with it.  the statistics are around 60,000 of us will not wake up each and every tomorrow in the United States.  my view of death is that it is a natural part of life, maybe even a welcomed part of life.  look at it this way, what would the freeways look like if no one ever died??

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« Reply #51 on: December 01, 2006, 04:21:54 PM »
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I have a hard time with that.  I can accept the notion of God, and I do believe i'll see my kids again, but I also have to believe that stuff happens.  


Guppy, Im sorry to hear this, and deepest condolences. I cant say I know what your feeling, but I have some Idea. My house burnt to the ground on Christmas morning 2 years ago. All was lost, and most people would say how can God let that happen? But two years on, A lot of good has come out of it, that you wouldnt believe. Made me believe firmly in God and angels.

Storch-- You and I have never gotten on, but on this point I do understand how scary that kinda thing can be. Before my house burnt down, My mate was staying over (no jokes about this please sir) when we heard doors and drawers slamming in the kitchen. We went down and looked. Nothing. Happened again. Again nobody. A few eeks later, my mate stayed over again. Same thing happened. Again a few weeks later, mate over again. This time, after the doors (we stopped checking) we heard footsteps running in the gravel path outside my window. We checked instantly from my window. Nobody on the street, and my window can see all the way down the street, and up it. Scary. Another time, my mate and I were walking home, and I heard MY OWN GHOST! Sounds stupid but I swear on my life it was true! We hadnt been drinking at all. Storch i understand how scary it can be when things like that happen!

Thanks for hearing me out, and please dont doubt my story

EDIT-------- OK! Scary! I just finishe writing this, and had another spooky encounter. I took off my bracelet, and left it flat on my table. Now I just turned around after writing that post, and it was hanging off my water glass! THAT IS FREAKY!
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« Reply #52 on: December 01, 2006, 05:12:59 PM »
Guppy,

I was greatly saddened to read about your loss.  As the father of two sons, I can state that my wife and I live in mortal dread of something happening to them.

I agree with your statement that sometimes things just happen.  We are mortal beings and exist in a world that is subject to natural law.  The flesh must, eventually, die.

However....

I believe the spirit lives on.  There have been a number of incidents in my life that reinforce that belief.  A couple have made my hair stand on end.

The first happened while I was in high school.  A farm family in our church had three children;  the youngest a boy of about five.  One day, he rode with his mother to the field to follow the father home at the end of the day.  His dad was driving a tractor and the boy wanted to ride it with him.

Nobody knows exactly what caused it, but the child fell off and was run over by the rear wheel.  The distraught parents rushed him to the hospital, but there was no hope.

Two days later the child was buried in a small woodland cemetery.  At the gravesite a young girl was snapping pictures of the proceedings with a camera and watching the pictures develop while holding them in her hand.  On the first, the grave was in the foreground and mourners behind it.  At the foot of the grave she noticed a ball of light...which was odd since the sun was behind the trees.  She called it to the attention of the mother and the father.

In the second picture, the father can be seen looking at the first photograph while the mother looked over his shoulder.  In this picture, the ball of light could be seen to have moved about halfway up the grave.

When the third picture was developed, the ball of light was gone, replaced by a smear of light, roughly in the shape of an x, at the head of the grave.  Within the x could be seen two faces:  one the face of a bearded man;  resting on his left breast was the face of a child.

The work of an angel?  Perhaps...but definitely a miracle.



A few years after my wife and I married, her brother and his wife lost a young child during heart surgery.  A month after the funeral, we were visiting the parents when they suddenly asked us a very strange question:  Did we believe in ghosts?

To say we were startled would be an understatement.  According to them, on more than one occasion they had been lieing awake in bed at night and heard the baby playing with his toys in the living room.

Being caught off guard by the question, we didn't know how to respond, except to say we didn't really believe in ghosts.

A couple of days later, we were visiting with my grandmother.  My grandfather had died the same year as this child.  Anyway, we recounted the story of the baby and the toys to her to get her opinion.

Well sir, she got the strangest look on her face.  Tears started in her widened eyes and her hand flew up to cover her mouth.

After a moment, she said that a similar thing had happened to her.  My grandfather always made a habit of rising early on a cold morning and, if she was still asleep, of pulling the covers up over her to keep her warm.  On the first cold morning after his death she said that she felt him pull the covers up over her as he had always done.


My grandmother and I spent a lot of time together in the summers when I was growing up.  She had a strong part in raising me.  A few years after this incident, she suffered a series of minor strokes that steadily robbed her of her memory.  Over a period of two years her health steadily deteriorated.  During this entire time she was staying in a nursing home.

One night, shortly after midnight the phone by our bedside rang, when I opened my eyes, I saw a hazy light at the head of the bed, on the other side of my wife, the direction my eyes were looking when I awakened.  After a few seconds it slowly faded.  

My wife answered the phone.  It was my mother, calling to say that my grandmother had died.  

I never could find an explanation for the light;  not one that is rational, as the world defines rational.  There was no way for a reflection to appear in that particular spot.  I looked at the site from every possible angle and could not figure out a way that a light could have been reflected to that particular spot.



So...I have reason to believe.  I believe in miracles....the kind sent by a loving God to give comfort in times of grief, or guidance in times of trial.  I don't believe God desires that harm befall anyone....save in those rare instances when it serves some purpose benefitting mankind.


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« Reply #53 on: December 01, 2006, 11:31:03 PM »
I don't doubt what you are saying shuckins.  I know my two kids have visited their mom.  It's a warm feeling on her cheek.  She can tell what kid it is when it happens.  It happened often the first year, but now has slowed.

It's never happened to me.  I wish it would.  There is a group of parents who've lost kids that meet once a month and at least one of the two parents all say the same thing.  in one form or another their lost kids have 'spoken' to them.

My uncle, who is a minister, tried to explain it to me.  God had a choice, to be all loving or all controlling.  He chose to be all loving.  I can live with that.  But I don't believe God is stepping in, now and then, to save some and let others die.

I know I'll see my kids again.  But this experience has really changed how I see God's role in all this.
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« Reply #54 on: December 02, 2006, 03:09:27 AM »
In my mind it all boils down to this.
: God is not looking after every one of us.
: If there are angels, - are they not just welwilling ghosts of our beloved ones?
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« Reply #55 on: December 02, 2006, 04:03:56 AM »
Angels do not exist.
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« Reply #56 on: December 02, 2006, 04:22:55 AM »
Yes they do. It's just that they're invisible and they have magical powers so nobody knows about them. They're unseen helpers with life's many problems, like coping with reality for example.

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« Reply #57 on: December 03, 2006, 12:38:38 AM »
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Did you ever notice how in the Bible, when ever God needed to punish someone, or make an example, or whenever God needed a killing, he sent an angel? Did you ever wonder what a creature like that must be like? A whole existence spent praising your God, but always with one wing dipped in blood. Would you ever really want to see an angel?
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« Reply #58 on: December 03, 2006, 01:24:08 AM »
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Yes they do. It's just that they're invisible and they have magical powers so nobody knows about them. They're unseen helpers with life's many problems, like coping with reality for example.


Ah, but how many of them can dance on the head of a pin?

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« Reply #59 on: December 03, 2006, 09:41:19 AM »
The closest I can come to a pseudo scientific accommodation with all this is:

Life is essentially energy;
energy does not die.
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