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Offline detch01

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« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2006, 11:01:25 AM »
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« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2006, 11:47:33 AM »
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I'd disagree..... big buff missions like this in-game usually start well behind front lines.... that big long DAR usually catches someone's attention, and after word gets out about these missions, you'll see plenty of interceptors coming up... no matter the altitude.



yes and no

i saw a dar bar the moment it upped once... that island map, A11 (right bottom homeland) upped a huge dar.

i straight away started a 190a8 mission, only I joined this mission...... then 45minutes later our dar went down any every one was pissing and moaning about lack of defence and milkrunners........:rolleyes:
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« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2006, 11:57:05 AM »
Ohhh.... escort.... droooooll.....
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« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2006, 12:56:54 PM »
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With practice ted I hope to see that. But just staying within 100 of the lead plane will be a start. If the lead maintains a 45 manifold or so, it allows others to catch it if they stray.  It takes a bit of concentration to fly a long mission close.

  As far as bombing, I'm thinking full salvo with the proper delay set, and dropping when the lead does. Hence the need for close formation at drop. That way the pilots can concentrate on holding formation and not getting all separated, which always ruins it.



Agree with holding a lower MAN and RPM setting on lead.  I usually lower MAN and RPM on runs to increase accuracy by eliminating the inherent climb of B-24's and B-17's.... but also important to hold formation together.  I've been in some runs where once formed, they open back up to the firewall, but if there are any turns en route, the formation tends to seperate again.  The few I've run I leave  the lead at one setting throughout.  A few pilots get a little impatient, and some follow the old adage that "speed is life" or "speed is armor", but a good formation is much more effective defensively than having the throttles up against the gates.

There are always those that wander AFK for a few minutes, and drift, they need the formation kept at steady, lower-than-full-speed to help them get back into the box.  "Turrent turns" easier to conduct than Land J keys for those that can. J&L keys for fine tuning.  Final turn and level well before over the target.  Not so much concentration as cooperation and (lot's of) patience and the right knowledge, IMHO.

Full salvo probably good on one area target with smaller group.  A larger group gives you more tactical options..... say, 1/2 to 1/3rd of a salvo per target.  A bomber leader can set up "lanes" - far left, inside left, middle, inside right, far right - to correspond to each pilot's location within the box (front to back, left to right)  - as well as "spans" for each "lane" - first half, far half, first third, middle third, and so forth -  for example, on a city, the first third of the formation is responsible for the first 1/3rd of the target area.  The middle of the box target the middle third, the trail planes the far third.  On the ground, you get a rolling bomb wave effect straight through the target.

The appropriate salvo and delay can be a trick to get right, with various pilot numbers and plane types.

I know in WWII, they all dropped with the lead, but they also would have far more bombers in the air over a similarly sized, but far less well defined, target (a large brown square on a green field...hmmmmm).... you can adjust to the game dynamics and still look good doing it, as well as become highly effective.

That tactical capability has a strategic value: Depending on the zone involved, you can hit a city to reduce resup of factories, then a factory or two or three to limit resup of bases in that zone.  The effects can last hours, unlike the 15 minutes a hangar stays flat, or base strats getting resupped in an hour or less.


A thought..... after a few of these runs, can you imagine a box of Ar234's making the run sometime?  That would be wild.   S.A.C.   :t


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edit... arena limitation may hit this idea..... plenty of times I was unable to get into the arena I wanted, because of the caps, so the "when and where" may need to be a little flexible, with a fall back position in case the primary arena is full.
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« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2006, 01:09:09 PM »
I'm just wondering what sort of target would need that many buffs
dropping on it?  Unless you plan on doing the historical hit percentage
thing as well.
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« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2006, 02:44:43 PM »
I'm in for this.  Frankly, I'll be wanting to try both ends of this stick.  Flying in the mass bomber stream, and also trying to intercept one.  

Ought to be a blast.

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« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2006, 03:36:18 PM »
Rino, no target can take that much ord. Overkill will be the order of the day. Other than putting the majority of bombs on the target selected, the most important thing is to get there and back without being all strung out and scattered.

  Next thing ya know someone goes down. Someone yells I'll grab a goon...guys auger for a fighter and the whole thing is a fiasco. Thats why the emphasis on formation keeping, and the light emphasis on the actual bomb effects. Tons on target is what we are looking for only.

  *Also, we will all meet in the lobby on the night of the mission. From there we will select a a late war arena that can support our group. If both arenas can't take us as a group, then we can plan on using MidWar arena for the mission.
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« Reply #37 on: December 06, 2006, 03:51:02 PM »
Id like to put together a small box formation tonight. If anyone else in the knights is on, look me up. Floatsup. This is just mission orientated. Im on east coast, so I usually log on around 7 PM EST. My squad usually gets on around 9 PM EST. So Im with them after that. But if anyone around look me up thanx.
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« Reply #38 on: December 06, 2006, 03:55:56 PM »
Sounds very cool.  Hopefully it will be Eastern timezone friendly!  Please!

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« Reply #39 on: December 06, 2006, 04:10:20 PM »
Mmm I will be able to use the WGr. 21  rockets again!!!:aok
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« Reply #40 on: December 06, 2006, 06:04:23 PM »
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Rino, no target can take that much ord. Overkill will be the order of the day. Other than putting the majority of bombs on the target selected, the most important thing is to get there and back without being all strung out and scattered.



You could always line up 2 strat targets or 2 fields or a combination of those...

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« Reply #41 on: December 06, 2006, 06:13:28 PM »
At most Id like a primary and secondary target to choose from...but dropping a bunch of bases moves away from the realistic for me. Im as gamey as the next guy, but this I'd like to try to keep it mostly realistic and totally thump a target whatever it may be.

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« Reply #42 on: December 06, 2006, 06:23:33 PM »
If you would be so kind as to PM the following please sir....

Arena...
Base of departure
Time of departure
Target alt.
Type of Buffs
Target heading
Number of buffs

and any other info you think we may need.....and I'll supply the intercept / targets for you.
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« Reply #43 on: December 06, 2006, 06:26:30 PM »
ill be up for escorting u guys in my stang perfect and historically accurate lol ;)
unless u r flying for a non rook nation then count on seeing my .50 cals ablazing at your cockpits :t
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« Reply #44 on: December 06, 2006, 06:31:26 PM »
Redtop, please keep an eye on this forum for something along the lines of    "ALERT- AH BOMB WING MISSION" for a thread title.

   Theres too many guys for me to PM...wish you could make PM lists and mass pm.

   All or almost all the info u requested will be in the alert thread when I make it. Expect something around the weekend.

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