Author Topic: After all this building my own PC (Read 444 times)

stockli · « **on:** December 07, 2006, 02:18:44 AM »

with help of course

Im going with the AMD 64 dual

What vid card would you recomend.

My only concern is running AH2 full bore and not spending all my cash.

Obviously the new set up will be PCI e.

Again this PC will be pretty much devoted to running AH2 full bore with high res and everything turned all the way up.

thanks guys.

Skuzzy little help please!

Skuzzy · « **Reply #1 on:** December 07, 2006, 10:29:13 AM »

Right now, I simply cannot make any recommendations for anything AMD based. I just cannot see using them right now due to poor price performance/ratios and heat when measured against the new Intel CPU's.

I would definately not waste my time with a 64 bit CPU. The 64 bit stuff is highly problematic and seems to be getting worse with Vista around the corner.

Of course, if that is all AMD is making these days, then I guess it does not matter.

Schutt · « **Reply #2 on:** December 07, 2006, 10:59:29 AM »

AMD64 currently only makes sense if you want to buy a verry cheap system, in midrange and higher conroe2 is better.

Anyway its much easier to put up any tips/ ideas if you post how much money you plan on spending for the pc (the core system) and what you expect from that.

stockli · « **Reply #3 on:** December 08, 2006, 10:33:01 AM »

we live next to Tiger Direct (a huge discount parts store) and my buddy told me he could help me put together a new machine for around $450

I have a nice audio card to transfer over the new setup we were looking at

Nvidea 7900 GS
AMD 64 Dual or Pentiums dual (but skuzzy suggested a 32 bit, maybe pentiu 4?)
1 gb ram
Some ninja thing case lol
and a decent MB

would this be enough to run this thing all out, like I said thats really my only concern as I have another PC to run office aps and a media center.

thanks

Schutt · « **Reply #4 on:** December 08, 2006, 01:11:45 PM »

I think Pentium 4 is a bad choice, either get conroe core 2 or if that is to expensive for the budget take an amd64 / amd64x2.

Also make sure the motherboard has 4 ram slots and only 2 are used, so you have it easier to upgrade the ram.

eagl · « **Reply #5 on:** December 08, 2006, 06:57:40 PM »

If you have the choice, you really want a core 2 duo cpu. Don't go for pentium 4. Athlon64s are better than Pentium 4s.

If you do end up with an AMD cpu, it's not the end of the world because they still have good performance, they're just not quite as fast as the Intel core 2 duo cpus.

You really should get 2 gig ram though. Make sure you get 2 1 gig sticks instead of 4 512mb sticks.

MOIL · « **Reply #6 on:** December 09, 2006, 03:52:56 AM »

MB - NForce4 or better
CPU - AMD FX-55 or 57
Vid card - Nvidia 7900GT or better
Mmemory - 1GB minimum (2GB's recomended)
PS - 500wt or better

If you're gaming the FX proc's are your best choice, X2's will serve no purpose in this situation.

Hope this helps

MOIL · « **Reply #7 on:** December 09, 2006, 03:55:14 AM »

eagl:
"If you do end up with an AMD cpu, it's not the end of the world because they still have good performance, they're just not quite as fast as the Intel core 2 duo cpus"

For doing what ?

nickf620 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 09, 2006, 04:40:17 AM »

yah the fx-55 droped price quite a dang bit since last time i had a crazy dream about one day building a computer around one

eagl · « **Reply #9 on:** December 09, 2006, 06:17:35 AM »

Moil,

I'm not going to quibble over cpu benchmarks because it's an argument for retards. I will however say that every single review and comparison of the core 2 duo vs. A64 shows the core 2 duo is faster in almost every single test or benchmark in what I consider to be the three "major" categories of multimedia processing, general application usage, and gaming. There are always a few benchmarks that show the A64 out ahead, but they are few in number and generally only applies for specific programs, not entire categories of software.

I have an A64 X2-4400 and it's very fast, but a $300 core 2 duo cpu would be about 20% faster in almost everything I do, including CD/DVD ripping/encoding, video editing, and gaming. The only thing keeping me from buying a core 2 duo system is that my computer is already plenty fast enough so even a *free* core 2 duo cpu wouldn't be worth it since I'd have to buy a new mobo, memory, and video card. But if I need to buy a whole new system today, there would be no question in my mind that a core 2 duo system would be the absolute best option today.

6-9 months from now when AMD starts sampling native single-die quad cpu cores, then it might be a different story. But we're talking right now, and right now core 2 duo is faster, period.

As icing on the cake for those who care about such things, core 2 duo also uses less power and people are getting massive overclocks out of them using generic air cooling. The current A64 chips just don't compare. They're both fast and neither is a "bad" choice in my opinion, but the core 2 duo is better in almost every measure.

Schutt · « **Reply #10 on:** December 09, 2006, 06:25:34 AM »

Also, if its really ah2 only you could go for an a64 4000 single core which together with 7900GS handles ah2 quite well and currently goes for less than 100$.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #11 on:** December 09, 2006, 07:56:00 AM »

MOIL, eagl is quite right. And as Aces High II is natively multi-threaded, a dual core CPU will run the game better than a single core.

The one one thing benchmarks will not show is how smoothly a game runs. Aces High II will simply run smoother on a dual core CPU versus a single core.

nickf620 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 09, 2006, 08:54:25 AM »

i went from a single core 2.8g pentium 4 processor, onboard graphics and 512 RAM to
a dual core 3.2 g pentium D presler processor, nvidia 7800 gtx and 2 gig RAM

and i dont notice too much of a difference in the game apart from about 40 frames faster
and plane detail is a bit better instruments look sharper
but the ground still looks the same and so do objects such as hangers etc.
is there something i have set wrong on the settings that i need to fix
i have skins and textures preloaded

what else should i do to get the best the game has to offer

MOIL · « **Reply #13 on:** December 10, 2006, 03:03:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
MOIL, eagl is quite right. And as Aces High II is natively multi-threaded, a dual core CPU will run the game better than a single core.

The one one thing benchmarks will not show is how smoothly a game runs. Aces High II will simply run smoother on a dual core CPU versus a single core.

I guess I would have to ask what you mean by "better" ?
I have just not found this to be the case, I have run both the Core2 duo & X2's and the FX chip (which I currently run) and the game does not respond like one would think with a "dual" core chip.

I will continue my testing, thanks for the input.

Kermit de frog · « **Reply #14 on:** December 10, 2006, 04:35:24 AM »

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Originally posted by nickf620
i went from a single core 2.8g pentium 4 processor, onboard graphics and 512 RAM to
a dual core 3.2 g pentium D presler processor, nvidia 7800 gtx and 2 gig RAM

and i dont notice too much of a difference in the game apart from about 40 frames faster
and plane detail is a bit better instruments look sharper
but the ground still looks the same and so do objects such as hangers etc.
is there something i have set wrong on the settings that i need to fix
i have skins and textures preloaded

what else should i do to get the best the game has to offer

Try to increase your video settings on your graphic card.
Right click your desktop and select properties.
Click on the settings tab and then click on advanced.
Look around for your video card settings for antistropic and anti aliasing and try to increase those settings. Make sure "application controlled" is not selected. My instructions are vague and some things vary from computer to computer. Be aware that increasing quality may reduce your frame rates (quantity).