Freedom is Gone?

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by lazs2
when these things do happen.   No one dares to protest.  

lazs

When people do protest, they get called anti-american, anti- (fill in the blakk) or anything else that implies less-than.

To speak out in protest these days, gives the government and its minions free license to de-americanize, dehumanize, and then export any legislation or use of force on you at their leisure.

Or, just get labeled as a studmuffin-loving god hatng liberal

[bsdaddict]

Originally posted by Maverick
Just a point here,

The so called disarmament act was done at the city level, by nagin and his pet chief of police. The Feds were not involved. Bush has no authority over local agencies.

To say that Nagin and his police chief issued the order would be accurate.  To say the Feds weren't involved isn't.  The ATF and the National Guard participated in the confiscations.  This link even indicated the US Marshals confiscated some.  Federal resources weren't Nagin's to command.  Someone allowed them to be there.

[wrag]

Originally posted by Chairboy
Well intentioned naivety has rarely had a better spokesman.

Our rights are not contingent on our behavior or motivation, they are inalienable.  Mobsters have exactly the same constitutional protections that you do, and the reverse is equally true.  That might make you cluck disapprovingly, but our founding fathers knew that any system that allowed some folks to be more equal than others would inevitably be abused.

That is why our constitution explicitly FORBIDS well intentioned people from holding others down.  It is not a list of "good ideas" or "we suggest that...", it is a statement of purpose as to the nature of humanity and his/her essential liberties.  There is no wiggle room with these.

Evil is what happens when good men fail to act.  Good men usually fail to act when they can rationalize that the evil has, at its root, good intentions.  Accept one, and you necessarily embrace the other.

UH OH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I find myself VERY in agreement with Chair!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

And well said Sir.

[332nd outlaw]

you just figured out that they think your just a pupet?


the south called them federalist and they been trying for 200 yrs to take the states power away. now adays we call them selfish pigs.

[332nd outlaw]

Originally posted by red26
1-right to privacy
2-right to due process
3-right to bear arms
4-right to free speech
5-right to travel freely

1- There is no one in my buissnes taping my phone and that kind of stuff.

2- No one has took my door down and searched my home.

3- I have all my wepons including my CHL so Im still good there.

4- I can still go down town and protest if need be ((AS long as its a peacefull protest)) and I can still type on here. And type on my E-mail talk on the phone and thats fine by me.



5- Ive been running around for years no one has stoped me exept for a traffic violation because no front licencs plate.


I dont worrie about this stuff because I'm not doing anything wrong. The only People that have to worrie about this is the people that have a reason to. Dont do things that will get you in trouble and you will be ok.

1
everything you do on the net is logged and ready for anyone in the federal goverment to take a peek at if they want. say the wrong words on your phone and the goverment will know about it you just won't know they know.

2  they can if they want. it's called a sneak and peak and is in the patriactic act and even tho people think this is only for terriost activity the goverment has the right to do it if they even think you are responsible or involved in any of a couple dozen so called crimes against national security.

3 for how much longer. remeber they have a list of of every legally owned gun in this country.

4 as long as you regeister and have thier permission to do so.

5
how about the so called safty checks.  or the so called red light cameras. some cities have cameras all over the place and if you think the fed's don't have ascess to these your sadly mistaken

this is the attitude they want you to have do as your told and everything will be alright till one day you wake up and find it was all a fantasy.

[VOR]

Originally posted by Red Tail 444
When people do protest, they get called anti-american, anti- (fill in the blakk) or anything else that implies less-than.

To speak out in protest these days, gives the government and its minions free license to de-americanize, dehumanize, and then export any legislation or use of force on you at their leisure.

Or, just get labeled as a studmuffin-loving god hatng liberal

Try not to sound so victimised. Grow some thicker skin and do what you think is right.

[lazs2]

bsaddict you are talking about two different things.. the federal marshall disarmed people who were evacuated and who had no permit to carry.  wrong as I feel that is.... no one should ever be disarmed...  it is pretty standard everywhere.

The guard ordered by the democrats were the ones who went door to door disarming the people in their own homes...  that is a huge difference.

as for freedoms...

red26... so you don't mind roadblocks to search your car and you don't mind being searched at airports?   You believe that a no knock warrant couldn't possibly affect you?   Are you saying that they never get the wrong address?

red bottom...  being a whiny liberal has to do with what you protest.   You don't have a right to health care or a job or affirmative action for instance.   You don't have a right to live off others money or have an unfair advantage over others based on gender or skin color.

lazs

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by Gunthr
I was wondering exactly what constitutional rights we Americans have lost recently?

"Fruit from the poison tree" = 1 step close to the grave.

Hudson v. Michigan - Now if the police violate your rights during the execution of a search warrant, evidence can still be used against you. In the past ALL evidence, no matter how bad, was thrown out on a bad warrant.  

If the .gov violates your rights, its not "unreasonable" anymore.

[dmf]

Originally posted by Chairboy
Don't worry, dmf.  That just makes you a moving target, they like a challenge.  

Well I hope they like a good moving target cause I'm an American, not a terrorist, if they want to come in my appt and look around, and they don't have a warrant, I have a baseball bat, and I rally don't care who it is either. They need to keep looking for terrorists cells here in America instead of screwing around with my freedoms that are protected by the United States Constitution. I have way more important things to do that associate with terrorists.

If they'd just drop nuke on somebody over there maybe they, and the rest of them, would get the idea that the US is done playing around.

[lazs2]

ok... when we get womens suffrage repealed Dmf can still vote.

lazs

[Shamus]

Originally posted by dmf
Well I hope they like a good moving target cause I'm an American, not a terrorist, if they want to come in my appt and look around, and they don't have a warrant, I have a baseball bat, and I rally don't care who it is either. They need to keep looking for terrorists cells here in America instead of screwing around with my freedoms that are protected by the United States Constitution. I have way more important things to do that associate with terrorists.

If they'd just drop nuke on somebody over there maybe they, and the rest of them, would get the idea that the US is done playing around.

not a terroist


Untill the right people call you one.

shamus