Author Topic: F-22/yf-23 (Read 1894 times)

Ball · « **Reply #15 on:** December 09, 2006, 04:55:18 AM »

Thought this was a pretty cool paint scheme too, pimp my hawk!

Ball · « **Reply #16 on:** December 09, 2006, 04:56:53 AM »

Nilsen · « **Reply #17 on:** December 09, 2006, 05:16:44 AM »

I hope we choose the Eurofighter next year as a replacement for our F16s. The other two still in the running for the contract has some serious flaws as well as some _very_ good stuff.

Overall the Eurofigher is the best choise and tops one of the competitors and is abit further ahead of the third. Sadly I think the overnment favored the least appealing choise from the get go as we have bought our fighters from them over the last 60 years or so.

cav58d · « **Reply #18 on:** December 09, 2006, 11:38:37 AM »

Thought the F-35A was replacing the F-16....and A-10:rolleyes:

Nilsen · « **Reply #19 on:** December 09, 2006, 12:15:46 PM »

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Thought the F-35A was replacing the F-16....and A-10:rolleyes:

and the hornet.. in time

Masherbrum · « **Reply #20 on:** December 09, 2006, 02:07:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
I hope we choose the Eurofighter next year as a replacement for our F16s. The other two still in the running for the contract has some serious flaws as well as some _very_ good stuff.

Overall the Eurofigher is the best choise and tops one of the competitors and is abit further ahead of the third. Sadly I think the overnment favored the least appealing choise from the get go as we have bought our fighters from them over the last 60 years or so.

The Saab Gripen is better than the Eurofighter IMO. They also can takeoff from a 2625ft. length of runway IIRC.

Nilsen · « **Reply #21 on:** December 09, 2006, 02:13:48 PM »

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The Saab Gripen is better than the Eurofighter IMO. They also can takeoff from a 2625ft. length of runway IIRC.

True and that is one of the reasons it also ranks so high with me.

The main advantage of the EF is that:

A: It is alot faster and can actually meet and greet the russians up north and not be left looking stoopid when the russians fly circles around them. To save money the airforce is closing down a few airfields and the distances they need to cover will be greater. The super cruise that the EF is capable off will also get them there quicker. The EF also has longer range.

B: It has two engines and that can come in handy on those long patrols over the vast ocean and mountain ranges of northern Norway. the majority of the F16 we have lost over the many years we have enjoyed them is engine failiure.

If it were not for A and B then the Gripen would be by far a better choise imo.

Sandman · « **Reply #22 on:** December 09, 2006, 02:27:46 PM »

All pale in comparison to the greatness of Zippy the WonderJet.

/sarcasm

Masherbrum · « **Reply #23 on:** December 09, 2006, 02:49:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
True and that is one of the reasons it also ranks so high with me.

The main advantage of the EF is that:

A: It is alot faster and can actually meet and greet the russians up north and not be left looking stoopid when the russians fly circles around them. To save money the airforce is closing down a few airfields and the distances they need to cover will be greater. The super cruise that the EF is capable off will also get them there quicker. The EF also has longer range.

B: It has two engines and that can come in handy on those long patrols over the vast ocean and mountain ranges of northern Norway. the majority of the F16 we have lost over the many years we have enjoyed them is engine failiure.

If it were not for A and B then the Gripen would be by far a better choise imo.

I'm thought that the Gripen is faster? I didn't know the Eurofighter was "suepr cruise" capable though. That is a good benefit economic-wise and safer at the same time.

I don't know, I've always loved the look of that Gripen compared to our Hornets (never cared for em), 16's (bleh). Only 2 US fighters I like are the now phased out Tomcats (SOB's for doing it too), and the Eagle (gonna be phased out).

Nilsen · « **Reply #24 on:** December 09, 2006, 02:59:23 PM »

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I'm thought that the Gripen is faster? I didn't know the Eurofighter was "suepr cruise" capable though. That is a good benefit economic-wise and safer at the same time.

I don't know, I've always loved the look of that Gripen compared to our Hornets (never cared for em), 16's (bleh). Only 2 US fighters I like are the now phased out Tomcats (SOB's for doing it too), and the Eagle (gonna be phased out).

The gripen is 1,8mach i think and the EF is above 2.

The Gripen looks great for sure and the Gripen N that we are beeing offered is a vast improvement on the one in production right now. Afaik it is not faster than the current version tho.

I guess it all comes down to what the politicians favor. Either its the JSF because its american and will be perhaps the best for over-seas offensive operations, or they go with the EF because its the best for defending the country, or the Gripen who is neither bird nor fish but has some other good qualities both politically, economically and in terms of industrial cooperation.

cav58d · « **Reply #25 on:** December 09, 2006, 02:59:28 PM »

Can someone explain to me the reasoning behind replacing the A-10 with the F-35???? Maybe my lack of expertise is showing, but how is a single engine "stealthy" fighter supposed to meet and exceed the roll of a twin engine flying tank in the CAS roll?

Nilsen · « **Reply #26 on:** December 09, 2006, 03:03:23 PM »

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Can someone explain to me the reasoning behind replacing the A-10 with the F-35???? Maybe my lack of expertise is showing, but how is a single engine "stealthy" fighter supposed to meet and exceed the roll of a twin engine flying tank in the CAS roll?

I have wondered the same thing.

It is prolly cheaper to use the F35 and go with fewer types of aircraft in terms of training, maintnance and support etc. Starting up a production line for the A-10 again is going to be super expecive.

cav58d · « **Reply #27 on:** December 09, 2006, 03:05:18 PM »

I just hope that at worst, the F-35 can boast a combat record equal to the A-10 in terms of keeping pilots alive, and providing efficient CAS

Neubob · « **Reply #28 on:** December 09, 2006, 05:32:38 PM »

A little question about the A-10...

They say the 'bathtub around the cockpit can stop a 37mm round. Now, is this a direct hit from an AP 37mm round, or just a near-hit from a fragmenting 37mm HE round?

If it's the former, exactly how thick does that tub have to be to stop something so substantial dead on?

Chairboy · « **Reply #29 on:** December 09, 2006, 06:28:46 PM »

It's a titanium tub, for one, so that helps. It's 3.8cm thick, so pretty strong. Dunno how well it does against 37mm direct fire, but it'll take a beating, along with the rest of the plane.