Changes to come.

[Quah!]

I understand and respect your response. But I now do not have the choice to fly with my squad when I want to if they are all in a country that has superior numbers. The only choice I have at that point is to wait or go do something else. Either way I am not permitted to fly with my squad. Just a point.

How are you and your squad restricted from all moving to the country with the lowest numbers??

IMH these kind of issues are not issues at all.  The only issue is you and your squad not wanting to side balance and needing to be on the side with overwhelming numbers.  Lose the crutch and balance out the sides.  

[Donzo]

Originally posted by Oldman731
In fact, I would go so far as to say that one of the greatest negative impacts on the game is caused  by the War-Fighters swarming to capture bases.

So would your assessment of the new capture system be that it negatively impacts the game?   I mean, it does force the War-Fighters to swarm in specific areas.

[Donzo]

Originally posted by Quah!
How are you and your squad restricted from all moving to the country with the lowest numbers??

Practical example:
I know my squadmates are flying Bish.  
I log on and cannot join Bish.  
Now the burden is on me to talk my squad into dropping what they are doing at the moment and switch sides so I can fly with them.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Donzo
Practical example:
I know my squadmates are flying Bish.  
I log on and cannot join Bish.  
Now the burden is on me to talk my squad into dropping what they are doing at the moment and switch sides so I can fly with them.

Hardly crisis mode though.  Shooting down a squaddie can be good for your health

[hitech]

JB88: Thanks for stating the obvious, you have had that choice from the first day you started playing AH.

And do not expect your "threat" changes my view point in any way shape or form.


HiTech

[Noir]

Originally posted by Donzo
Practical example:
I know my squadmates are flying Bish.  
I log on and cannot join Bish.  
Now the burden is on me to talk my squad into dropping what they are doing at the moment and switch sides so I can fly with them.

this is the problem to me..Limiting sides is ok, but having to fight alone when your mates are online is VERY frustrating, same thing with arena cap.

[Simaril]

Originally posted by Donzo
Practical example:
I know my squadmates are flying Bish.  
I log on and cannot join Bish.  
Now the burden is on me to talk my squad into dropping what they are doing at the moment and switch sides so I can fly with them.

I'm NOT trolling, slamming, or bringing up old dead horses here. But I dont know any other way to make the point except this.


Lets say that all your squaddies choose to fly Bish, even though the Bish are chronically the high side. That is NOT the system's fault.

Read what HT said about rough number balance....can any part of that concept be proved false? No successful game routinely gives one side a disadvantage. (Handicaps, in fact, hinder the stronger player so weaker ones get a MORE even game, not less even.)

If you routinely find yourslef excluded because you will play bish, you have a simple choice. Which is the more important value for your squad...playing together, or playing for your chosen country? Whatever you choose, there will be consequences; but it is simply your choice. In other words, if you switched to the chronically low side then the entire BOP crew could likely log on at once


And id you say that you shouldnt have to choose, that you should be able to fly together even if grossly outnumbering others, then you are completely disregarding the rights of others, like someone who yells "fire" in a theater or who deliberately farts in the air lock.

[Donzo]

Originally posted by Simaril
I'm NOT trolling, slamming, or bringing up old dead horses here. But I dont know any other way to make the point except this.


Lets say that all your squaddies choose to fly Bish, even though the Bish are chronically the high side. That is NOT the system's fault.

Read what HT said about rough number balance....can any part of that concept be proved false? No successful game routinely gives one side a disadvantage. (Handicaps, in fact, hinder the stronger player so weaker ones get a MORE even game, not less even.)

If you routinely find yourslef excluded because you will play bish, you have a simple choice. Which is the more important value for your squad...playing together, or playing for your chosen country? Whatever you choose, there will be consequences; but it is simply your choice. In other words, if you switched to the chronically low side then the entire BOP crew could likely log on at once


And id you say that you shouldnt have to choose, that you should be able to fly together even if grossly outnumbering others, then you are completely disregarding the rights of others, like someone who yells "fire" in a theater or who deliberately farts in the air lock.

My post was about flying with my squadmates, not about not switching countries.  

Let's say we follow your advice.  
The members of my squad that were online decided to switch to the lower number country.  I come along and now the numbers are skewed the other way and I cannot join the country they are in.  Once again, I cannot fly with them when I want and now I have to convince them to drop what they are doing and switch countries.


And to your example of Bish "chronically" being on the high side...there have been many times where we've been on the receiving end of a numbers imbalance.

[Donzo]

Originally posted by Guppy35
Shooting down a squaddie can be good for your health

With all due respect, that is your opinion.  

Did you ever think that maybe there are others who do not want to shoot squaddies down?

[Blagard]

Wow loads of posts on this subject and having read a fair few I certainly wouldn't want to wade through them all. Such a small proportion being helpful

Well I'm here because I couldn't get into Blue, and Orange has no real appeal to me (and I have tried it a few times), so it was a case of log on log off. After getting the drift of the reason for change (at least some of it) I thought what would have happened if I had logged onto Blue and suddenly found myself on one of the "other" sides. Bear in mind I have never switched sides in living memory. Would I have logged off ? Honestly, in my case no I don't think I would.

I am not in a squad although have been years ago.  Could it be (Suggestion) that anyone logging in and not in a squad goes to the minority side as well as new starters. If you are in a squad you default to your current squad country. Then if the balance is within limits you can change countries if you want to.

If there is an balance problem due to either people logging off or too many squaddies for one country showing up, then the ENY kicks in. I don't mind this too much - as I can still chose to fly albeit not in the best planes

I suppose I don't mind being guided and gently pressured by the game to even things up, but I do object to being shoved around or kept waiting when I have paid to fly and enjoy myself.

I do like staying with one country because you get to know others who fly at similar times and have an idea if they have a style and gameplay you can support and run with. But this is not a critical factor to me, just useful.

I do not regard choice of having to wait or be forced to change sides a pleasant choice, it has the feel of being pushed around. Slotting me into a country when I log in so I can just fly, even on another side would not feel so bad especially if I also had a soft option to change sides if balance of numbers permitted it.

Thats my thrupence worth for the evening (BTW it was worth more than 2 cents )

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Donzo
With all due respect, that is your opinion.  

Did you ever think that maybe there are others who do not want to shoot squaddies down?

That's entirely possible.  

I still think the key here is what is best for the largest number of people in the game.

Catering to a select group may please that crew but make the game that much less enjoyable for the rest.

Since none of this is life and death, and there are any number of avenues to keep BS'ing with your buddies online, it seems less important to support the guys who have no desire to bend to help the overall health of the game.

[MWL]

Greetings,

  Side balance - two simple words that bring so much moaning and gnashing of teeth.  Many ways to do this:

Some we are currently trying -
Raw Numbers
ENY
Reduction in cost of perk planes
Lines of advance (on hold for now - but does have potential!)

Some to consider -
Variable Ack accuracy / density at bases - Defending country dedicates more resources to defense
Not enabling planes / vehicles / ack at recently captured bases - Reflecting difficulty of getting logistical structure in place at recently captured fields.
Further restrict side switchin to once a week instead of once and hour - to reduce people joining the 'winning' side
Increase the number of troops required to take a field the closer it is to the City - reflect the difficulties associated with entering enemy home territory
Reduce availability of quality aviation fuel for over balanced side(s) - reflecting the over demand on production capability
Reduce ordance availability on the over balanced side(s) - reflecting the demand exceeding the available resupply rate.

Just a couple of thoughts from an old wargamer . . . . who is not a programer!    

Regards,

[Blagard]

BTW having only just posted I then read MWL's posting and would add that I think there are more than a few good points in the suggestions made.

Cheers Blagard

[corpse]

theres a simple and easy way to fix this problem at hand,you already have 2 late wars arenas,1 mid and 1 early,everyone has their own taste as to where and what they fly and who they fly with,so jjust make 1 unlimited un perked uncapped un balanced areana for people to have as an option to goto if they chose whether the sides are balanced or not,some like to steamroll,some like to gv,some like to furball,some like to be in overwelming odds against them,as i have seen in the other post to this problem,that others will just flock to this 1 and only arena then so be it those who choose to can those who dont have the other limited arenas to fly in as well,just my 2 cents,but it beats switchin sides or becomin a "mercanary" and still beable to fly with your squad if your with one it just opens the option up for people,that way they cant complain that their bein steamrolled,their gettin lag cause of to many people the only thing they will be able to whine about is gettin shot down by a better pilot or plane,if they dont like it then they have other places to go.......Corpse

[JB88]

See Rules #4, #5