Author Topic: Bad day for a B1 Crew (Read 1401 times)

lukster · « **Reply #30 on:** December 11, 2006, 12:42:56 PM »

Wings/Squadrons often put a pilot near the end of the runway to watch for things like this. I spent 20 years around Air Force runways and never heard of an unintentional gear up landing. I'll have to see the official report to believe it.

lukster · « **Reply #31 on:** December 11, 2006, 12:55:20 PM »

Ok, I believe.

http://www.acc.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123027298

soda72 · « **Reply #32 on:** December 11, 2006, 01:56:47 PM »

Must be AHII sim pilots, flyn that thing...

That's the best way to land in AHII...

especially if there are other planes within vulching distance of the runway...

Kurt · « **Reply #33 on:** December 11, 2006, 01:59:12 PM »

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Originally posted by VOR
"Wind xxx at xx, check wheels down, cleared to land." The words "check wheels down" are a required part of every landing clearance, even if the aircraft has no retracts OR no wheels!

In what country? Certainly not the U.S. Are you refering to a military only procedure?

I have never heard a controller recite that.

"So and so, make left base to one six cleared to land."

Thats it... The wind call is optional an usually only given to people doing pattern work, otherwise when you reported you had the ATIS you told the tower you know the weather.

If you do not tell the tower you have the ATIS, then they will either read the conditions to you or they will ask you to go get it before they give you anything.

Never once in hundreds of my own approaches to multiple fields, or in the thousands of approaches I have listened to on the scanner have I ever heard tower tell a pilot 'Check wheels down'

nickf620 · « **Reply #34 on:** December 11, 2006, 02:18:20 PM »

crazy Kurt with his crazy flight time
knowing everything
just crazy

i think the main cause for the gear being up on landing was fatigue think about it

boring 11 hour flight
final approach

snooze zZzZzZ!!!!!!
check wheels down
zZzZzZ.....wait what
oh ****
scraaaaaaappeeeeee!!!!!!!!
damn
never ganna hear the end of this one

Dinger · « **Reply #35 on:** December 11, 2006, 02:21:42 PM »

That was a DC-9 and at Detroit.

VOR · « **Reply #36 on:** December 11, 2006, 02:36:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Golfer
Glad you said that VOR. I kept reading posts...more posts...more posts...nada...nothing. Check Wheels Down you'll hear at every military airport. I remember how big and bad I felt flying into Rickenbacker in a 172. I won't repeat the jokes that everyone says about welding.

LOL! "Skids down and welded." Yup, heard it before.

Unfortunately for the befuddled ATC community, no differentiation is made in the book between aircraft that have wheels and aircraft that do not when talking about the wheels down check, so it's actually trained from day one to issue the CWD to all aircraft.

It's silly and we know it, but from a purely technical point of view it may not reflect favorably on the facility if an accident investigation team noted "deviations from standard phraseology" in their report because someone didn't tell a 172 or a UH-60 to CWD.

As the saying goes, to err is human. To forgive is not in the FARs.

VOR · « **Reply #37 on:** December 11, 2006, 02:38:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Kurt
Are you refering to a military only procedure?

The short answer is yes. (I can understand your confusion.) If you want the longer answer from "the book" (7110.65):

2-1-24. WHEELS DOWN CHECK

USA/USAF/USN

Remind aircraft to check wheels down on each approach unless the pilot has previously reported wheels down for that approach.

NOTE-
The intent is solely to remind the pilot to lower the wheels, not to place responsibility on the controller.

a. Tower shall issue the wheels down check at an appropriate place in the pattern.

PHRASEOLOGY-
CHECK WHEELS DOWN.

Habu · « **Reply #38 on:** December 11, 2006, 03:00:14 PM »

There is such a thing as a 172 with retractable landing gear.

Chairboy · « **Reply #39 on:** December 11, 2006, 03:12:57 PM »

Yep, but it's called a 172-RG. Nobody in an RG would miss the opportunity to mention that it's an RG, it's a point of pride.

eskimo2 · « **Reply #40 on:** December 11, 2006, 03:17:44 PM »

My father-in-law logged 1,375 hours of pilot time. This was his one mistake:

He ment to pull up the flap lever and pulled the gear lever.

Chairboy · « **Reply #41 on:** December 11, 2006, 04:20:56 PM »

All... my... friends.... know the low rider.

Slash27 · « **Reply #42 on:** December 11, 2006, 06:15:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Kurt

However, a DC10 crash in Dallas about 20 years ago is all you need to say about checklists.. The pilots were chatting up a cabin attendent and missed the checklist item to set the flaps... The plane barely lifted off before crashing across a busy freeway.

You have a link to the story?

eskimo2 · « **Reply #43 on:** December 11, 2006, 06:24:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
All... my... friends.... know the low rider.

I am so tempted to pimp out and blingify that B1. I'm too tired though.

nirvana · « **Reply #44 on:** December 11, 2006, 06:47:14 PM »

That article previously posted said that pilot told the tower gear down, VOR. According to the book, that would mean the check wheels down wasn't necessary.