Author Topic: Bad day for a B1 Crew (Read 1342 times)

LePaul · « **Reply #45 on:** December 11, 2006, 06:56:05 PM »

The one thing Im curious about...and no one else mentioned....

These things have pretty stinking bright landing lights. If they were on approach, shouldnt the tower operator be seeing some pretty bright lights coming his way?

I mean, it was 10pm, according to that report.

I'm not defending the crew, just kinda curious how a tower guy wouldnt think "Hey, why cant i see their landing lights?"

That's all.

VOR · « **Reply #46 on:** December 11, 2006, 07:13:19 PM »

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Originally posted by nirvana
That article previously posted said that pilot told the tower gear down, VOR. According to the book, that would mean the check wheels down wasn't necessary.

I didn't read the article, but you're right.

Kurt · « **Reply #47 on:** December 11, 2006, 07:15:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Slash27
You have a link to the story?

Yes, its easy to find, and I did get the wrong Aircraft type above... It was a 727

Anyhow, you can search on the net for Delta 1141, but here is one link

http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-dl1141.shtml

VOR · « **Reply #48 on:** December 11, 2006, 07:19:41 PM »

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Originally posted by LePaul
These things have pretty stinking bright landing lights. If they were on approach, shouldnt the tower operator be seeing some pretty bright lights coming his way?

Sometimes yes and sometimes no. Depends on alot of things like background light on the field or in town if there's a cityscape nearby, etc. There are too many possibilities to really guess at. Every tower envoronment is different in it's own ways.

Slash27 · « **Reply #49 on:** December 11, 2006, 07:28:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Kurt
Yes, its easy to find, and I did get the wrong Aircraft type above... It was a 727

Anyhow, you can search on the net for Delta 1141, but here is one link

http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-dl1141.shtml

Thanks, I remember the incident but I was having hell finding it. The going i to traffic thing didnt sound right on that one. All I was getting hits on was the '85 crash. I was in Grapevine that day watching that storm blow in.

nirvana · « **Reply #50 on:** December 11, 2006, 08:00:57 PM »

Sorry if I came off sounding condescending, your knowledge is still much greater then mine. I'm not worthy!

Kurt · « **Reply #51 on:** December 11, 2006, 08:07:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Slash27
Thanks, I remember the incident but I was having hell finding it. The going i to traffic thing didnt sound right on that one. All I was getting hits on was the '85 crash. I was in Grapevine that day watching that storm blow in.

Yeah, I think I got two crashes confused. Sorry about that.

I read a lot of NTSB reports on big and small crashes, its a habit I got into when I got my license because its a good reminder that the best pilots can make the worst mistakes. It keeps you on your feet to read about things like that.

Anyhow, sorry for the mixed up initial post... My bad...

But it certainly proves the point - Checklists don't insure accuracy of the crew.

Chairboy · « **Reply #52 on:** December 11, 2006, 08:13:42 PM »

Yep, you have to actually USE the checklist properly to see the benefit.

VOR · « **Reply #53 on:** December 11, 2006, 09:45:12 PM »

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Originally posted by nirvana
Sorry if I came off sounding condescending, your knowledge is still much greater then mine. I'm not worthy!

I didn't take it like that at all. I should have read the article.