Author Topic: Gays in the military (Read 1245 times)

PuckIt · « **Reply #30 on:** December 11, 2006, 08:17:12 AM »

As long as its not an "American Idol" contestant I dont care. They have issues with some chemicals or electrical pulses not firing correctly!

lazs2 · « **Reply #31 on:** December 11, 2006, 08:31:20 AM »

nelson... are you saying the incidence of HIV/aids in the US is the same for heterosexuals and homosexuals?

lazs

Gunslinger · « **Reply #32 on:** December 11, 2006, 10:31:32 PM »

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Originally posted by cav58d
Gunslinger - How does the whole "jail time, or Marine Corps" work? Have you experienced many of these guys coming through your BT? Whats your thoughts

We actually have a procedure in the USAF BMT for this specifically in the manual. There's also a video that we have to show them in the first week on the DOD policy on "Don't ask Don't Tell".

Basically it's this:

If a trainee say's he/she is gay I personally first react that they want to go home and they want to say anything to get there. I try and convince them to stay and tell them that the quickest way out is to actually graduate BMT. WHen there flight graduates they will still be here in a holding squadron trying to get seperation orders.

More serious admissions get reffered to our operations officer who has a reg that tells him how to react to specific situations.

Admissions of homosexuality alone are not grounds for seperation. Admissions of actual homosexual acts after being made aware of their rights are in fact grounds for administrative actions.

Basically somone can be gay but as long as that aspect of their life is kept personal and not shared they are free and clear to serve. Once you cross the boundry of actually admitting to homosexual acts it's a different story.

Keep in mind there are all sorts of checks and balences in play here that prevent a good troop from leaving the military, and the troop gets referred to all sorts of different agencys before any type of adminstrative actions are performed.

Each time they are counsled by these agencies they are made aware of their rights to keep their private lifes private and that if they don't wish to talk about it the process ends right then and there.

IMHO and based on my experience 9 times out of 10 an admin sep from the military for homosexuality is because the person doesn't want to be there any more.

as far as "jail time or the military" that no longer exists in any service (other than the Army) most service meet or come close to their recruiting goals that they don't have to hire criminals and usually out right refuse anyone who had a judge tell they they'd get off parole early if they enlisted.

I had a fellow "hat" get in trouble because one of his trainees wanted to go home and told his instructor that he was gay. This instructor proceeded to undo his belt and unbutton his pants and say "prove it". The kid then say he wasn't gay after all but got the instructor in trouble for "mal-training"

Thrawn · « **Reply #33 on:** December 11, 2006, 11:00:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Mightytboy
Personally I believe they are mentally ill so handing them a gun doesn't make much sense.

Yes, but your belief's a based on squat. I doubt you've ever taken a course on abnormal psychology let alone got degree or done any research on the subject.

But guess what, these guys have.

"Is Homosexuality a Mental Illness or Emotional Problem?

No. Psychologists, psychiatrists and other mental health professionals agree that homosexuality is not an illness, mental disorder or an emotional problem. Over 35 years of objective, well-designed scientific research has shown that homosexuality, in and itself,is not associated with mental disorders or emotional or social problems. Homosexuality was once thought to be a mental illness because mental health professionals and society had biased information. In the past the studies of gay, lesbian and bisexual people involved only those in therapy, thus biasing the resulting conclusions. When researchers examined data about these people who were not in therapy, the idea that homosexuality was a mental illness was quickly found to be untrue.

In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association confirmed the importance of the new, better designed research and removed homosexuality from the official manual that lists mental and emotional disorders. Two years later, the American Psychological Association passed a resolution supporting the removal. For more than 25 years, both associations have urged all mental health professionals to help dispel the stigma of mental illness that some people still associate with homosexual orientation."

http://www.apa.org/topics/orientation.html#mentalillness

CLW81Z · « **Reply #34 on:** December 11, 2006, 11:24:57 PM »

Sorry but I dont think the military is the place for them.

Sandman · « **Reply #35 on:** December 11, 2006, 11:29:53 PM »

There are already many gays serving in the military.

I see absolutely no reason to keep them from serving openly.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #36 on:** December 11, 2006, 11:49:05 PM »

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Originally posted by cav58d
I agree ted, but if you let the extremist left resolve the issue, the gays would be wearing lipstick, mascara and rainbow uniforms lol

Yanno something though.
They may just be on to something with that idea.
The enemy would laugh themselve to death LMAO

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #37 on:** December 11, 2006, 11:50:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
There are already many gays serving in the military.

I see absolutely no reason to keep them from serving openly.

I agree completely.
thats why I said to have em at point during recon missions.

Cant get much more open then that

Billy Joe Bob · « **Reply #38 on:** December 12, 2006, 12:48:29 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
Gay folks in the military??

Sure, why not. No reason to belive they are worse soldiers or have more medical conditions than your average joe.

I would like people who say its a mental illness to find me FACTUAL details stating why exactly a gay persons brain is "defective" or something like that compared to a hetero's brain. I know of a few people that are gay and they are fine. there are hetero people who are fine and there are also the ones who go out and murder people because of mental problems with little voices telling them to do things.

The brain is a complex thing...

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #39 on:** December 12, 2006, 07:28:30 AM »

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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob
I would like people who say its a mental illness to find me FACTUAL details stating why exactly a gay persons brain is "defective" or something like that compared to a hetero's brain. I know of a few people that are gay and they are fine. there are hetero people who are fine and there are also the ones who go out and murder people because of mental problems with little voices telling them to do things.

The brain is a complex thing...

As I said earlier. and I was perfectly serious. In the majority of cases
Its probably best discribed as more of an abnormality.
Like a 6th toe.

Not particularly harmful Nor is there anything particularly wrong with it other then its different.
But with only something like 4% of the population being gay.
Its definately not the norm.

Gay,Bi, Whatever.
Not really an issue with me
Two women are even less of an issue

straffo · « **Reply #40 on:** December 12, 2006, 07:36:39 AM »

Who is better :

the homosexual serving his country

or

the heterosexual republibot starting meaningless posts in the AH O'club ?

Gunthr · « **Reply #41 on:** December 12, 2006, 08:18:30 AM »

as far as I'm concerned, homos are good in a police department for the wider range of ability it provides - undercover officers on our studmuffin detail in the parks were routinely excoriated as "nazis" until a homo cop was transfered into the unit and wired up for the arrests that result in charges like exposure of sexual organs, battery, and lewd and lascivious conduct for public bj's and the like. the officers are still excoriated, esp in "cruising guides", but there is now a certain added credibility to the studmuffin detail and a continued high rate of successful prosecutions resulting in a far better quality of life for users of the parks who complain about public sexuality.

in the m ilitary, I don't have any problem with homos that conduct themselves according to the military code. I have always been content to allow the military to handle the homo issue as they see fit. I have the utmost respect for our military in that regard - it seems that they are very advanced when it comes to dealing with social issues.

lazs2 · « **Reply #42 on:** December 12, 2006, 08:31:02 AM »

sandie... if it is another sex then it should be treated as such. My preference is for women and for some reason they don't let me bunk with the women or shower with them or even use the womens bathrooms... they don't allow me to be a girlscout leader or any of a number of sexualy discriminatory things. If I am sent to jail I would prefer to spend it in a womans prison but... they discriminate against me..

soo... sexual orientation is used all the time to discriminate.. you would not want a homosexual male to be the scout leader taking your son on a campout for instance. Does that make you biggoted or wrong? of course not.

We have every right... duty even.. to discriminate based on sexual preference.

lazas

eskimo2 · « **Reply #43 on:** December 12, 2006, 10:16:58 AM »

Just don't let them design their own uniforms:

moneyguy · « **Reply #44 on:** December 12, 2006, 05:27:53 PM »

doesn't matter to me