combine ew and mw

[Quah!]

EW and LW would be great if HT implemented the base taking changes in those arenas.  

The biggest problem I have with both arenas is that unless you have a good group of people in there that are looking for a fight, it's nothing but milkrunners taking undefended bases.  Narrow the field of bases to be taken so it forces fights and both arenas will thrive with lesser numbers.

[Airscrew]

Since the split I have spent the majority of my time in the EWA, a few hours in the MWA  and not very much time in the LWA.  The first few weeks EWA was just fine, plenty of good fights, now just not a lot of people in there, but I can still usually find a good CV fight.   MWA is ok, but there's a larger performance gap in the planes.   Last week I uped a Spit IX because a strat target was flashing and I was expecting to find a bomber or two.  Instead I found a P-47D about 2k higher than me.  He made a couple of BnZ passes at me and then ran.   As I tried to catch up to him I got drug deeper and deeper into enemy territory.  More and more red planes where above me, and it wasnt looking good at all for me.   I got about 1.2 from the P-47 when I saw a P-51b fly over me, I watched him and then he turned about 3.0 and came in on my 6.   Trying to keep an eye on the P47 and dodge the P-51.   Of course as soon as the P-51 came after me the P47 came back and tried to HO me.  as soon as the P-51 broke and pulled off, I started back after the P-47 which zoomed back up and out of reach and after my manuvering I didnt have the E to catch the P-47.  Pretty soon here comes the P-51 again.  I decided I needed to deal with the P-51.  After a couple of bnZ passes by the P-51 I guess he decided to try and get slow with me.  after a minute or so with a little scissoring he passed in front of my plane and I removed his stab and down he went.  The P-47 had come back and made a couple of passes but now he was running again.  I chased him all the way back to his base, I knew he was going to drag me through the ack but I just didnt care, I didnt have enough gas to go back anyway.  We were sufficently high enough that I got maybe one ping from the ack.  In the meantime though there were several enemy planes up.  I knew he was hanging me out there, and I almost had a clean shot when he pulled hard to the right, when a La7 showed up and got a clean shot on my tail removing my stab.   And as I fall to the ground the P-47 comes back and straffs my falling wreakage.  whatever...
so to Expendable in the P-51B, good fights.   to the P-47 driver that takes off and flys 50 miles round trip just to run away...even with an alt and E advantage

I spend only a little time in LWA because I get some serious screen stutters and freezes expecially when I'm trying to shoot someone or keep from getting shot.

[BugsBunny]

Originally posted by Quah!
EW and LW would be great if HT implemented the base taking changes in those arenas.  

The biggest problem I have with both arenas is that unless you have a good group of people in there that are looking for a fight, it's nothing but milkrunners taking undefended bases.  Narrow the field of bases to be taken so it forces fights and both arenas will thrive with lesser numbers.

Not true!  You can still milkrun for score pading on non capturable bases.  Maybe easyer since no one will deffend them.  It will ake it worse!

[FrodeMk3]

Is it just me, Or does it seem to anyone else that we've had the split, witnessed what's been happening with the LW arena's, and now we've come full circle?

     Have we had to relearn all the lessons from AW and Warbirds' as to how to play an Air-combat based MMOG?

     I kinda liked the idea of the Multiple arena's at first. Not only was it initially novel to fly a P-40E in a competitive atmosphere, but it seemed like the whole tone of the fight was different.Meaning, more turnfighting, less cherrypicking,Boom and Zooming, and no runway vulchers(sic).

But, everyone prefered the choices of the LW arena.

The real problem is, that for an afficianado of EW or MW, without a decent number of people to fly against(I would say at least 30-40 in one arena)That it makes for dull times.

     Many people from Warbirds have mentioned that they had a blast with the RPS (Rolling Plane Set) that game had at one time. And since it's becoming apparent to all that LW is numerically dominant, whether it's in Orange or Blue form, And Hitechs' latest experiments have been done in those arena's, It seems that there is one obvious answer.

Return to one single large MA.

institute a(n) RPS. You get EW and LW birds excusively for 2/3 of the month.

Either use the Orange arena method of capture, or open as in blue.

And give it decent maps. (TT maps seem very popular.)

And then go back to work to try to fill up the incomplete EW/MW planeset, which is what's really hurting this game( NO HE-111?!?!?! or G4M, Do-17, Wellington...gimme a break.)

One more thing comes to mind as I close this post. Put in some of the missing planes, RESTRICT them to the EW/MW arena exclusively(Do not even enable them in LW.) and see if you can get more people to fly the EW/MW just for the unique planeset. Other than this, fellas, I'm just about at wit's end.

[Quah!]

Not true! You can still milkrun for score pading on non capturable bases. Maybe easyer since no one will deffend them. It will ake it worse!

I can see your point, but with a distinctive path we will at least get to fight the war winners that need to take bases.  I don't see how it could get worse tho honestly.

[BugsBunny]

Originally posted by Quah!
I can see your point, but with a distinctive path we will at least get to fight the war winners that need to take bases.  I don't see how it could get worse tho honestly.

I guess my point was that if there are 40 people in those arenas, most of them are just score pading.  A few are trying to fight the war and a few are there for the fights. So, the guys looking for fights will fight the war guys, but no effect on the milk runners.  I guess you are right, it may not be worse but I dont see how it would help either.  I think we have made different assumptions.  If you are right and there are people fighting the war then yes it will help.  If I am right, and most of them are just score pading then it wont

[Quah!]

Yeah agreed.

[hubsonfire]

Lack of variety, with planes, people, tactics, and odds took a lot of the fun out of the early/mid arenas for me. Every fight became just like every other fight. It's no fun, for me anyway, when the fight becomes too predictable.

While I don't fly in them much, if there are guys who actually enjoy them, and aren't just milkrunning, I wouldn't mess with those arenas. If they are just a microcosm of the MA, nuke them.

[Noir]

Originally posted by President
negative.

war by era is really good.  if u want more planes u should fly late.


leave HT alone he has it right

I did not meant we need later planes in those arenas, but that the planeset has got huge gaps and incoherences in it (Ju88A-4 and TBM-3 in EWA for exemple). We need more crappy rides from the first battle of France

[Airscrew]

Originally posted by BugsBunny
So, the guys looking for fights will fight the war guys, but no effect on the milk runners.  

speaking for myself, I always look for a chance to ruin the milkrunner's and score padder's games.  I try to follow one of Hitech's rulez, "the object of the game is to piss people off"

[stickpig]

Everything that people are complaing about... Hordes, HO'ers, Timid pilots, etc in EW and MW.... You mean that isint in LW?

It's perfect as is.......

[Laurie]

Originally posted by Oldman731
Probably true.  We've run early- and mid-war setups for years in AvA.  People come in to see what they're like, enjoy them enormously for a few days, and then move back to their hot rods.  The late war planes are much easier to get kills with, and there is a greater variety of planes from that period.

Merging the EW and MW just means that everyone will end up flying the better MW planes, I fear.

- oldman (although, for what it's worth, it seems to me that the EW has turned into the Spit5 Arena, for the same reason I suspect.)

good piont but,
 isnt the reason ppl fly EW to fly the lawn-mowers?

i think it could work out ok.

[Cooley]

What about combining those two arena's and then using a '39 to '43 Rolling plane set that lasts a TOD

Use Scenario maps instead of our standard MA maps to attract more peeps

I suppose thats not too different then the current AvA though,

what about this...

ACA Arena (Air Combat Arena) no field captures, Good Fighter Town map
Main Arena (Using the new Country balance thingy) 600+ CAP
RPS Arena (Rolling Plane Set '39 to '43 using SEA maps, not AvA)
Dueling Arena ( Killshooter off so squads can do their KOTH's)
Training Arena (nice map,but only 1 field gets used there, needs fine tunin)
Special Events Arena

[Laurie]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Is it just me, Or does it seem to anyone else that we've had the split, witnessed what's been happening with the LW arena's, and now we've come full circle?

     Have we had to relearn all the lessons from AW and Warbirds' as to how to play an Air-combat based MMOG?

     I kinda liked the idea of the Multiple arena's at first. Not only was it initially novel to fly a P-40E in a competitive atmosphere, but it seemed like the whole tone of the fight was different.Meaning, more turnfighting, less cherrypicking,Boom and Zooming, and no runway vulchers(sic).

But, everyone prefered the choices of the LW arena.

The real problem is, that for an afficianado of EW or MW, without a decent number of people to fly against(I would say at least 30-40 in one arena)That it makes for dull times.

     Many people from Warbirds have mentioned that they had a blast with the RPS (Rolling Plane Set) that game had at one time. And since it's becoming apparent to all that LW is numerically dominant, whether it's in Orange or Blue form, And Hitechs' latest experiments have been done in those arena's, It seems that there is one obvious answer.

Return to one single large MA.

institute a(n) RPS. You get EW and LW birds excusively for 2/3 of the month.

Either use the Orange arena method of capture, or open as in blue.

And give it decent maps. (TT maps seem very popular.)

And then go back to work to try to fill up the incomplete EW/MW planeset, which is what's really hurting this game( NO HE-111?!?!?! or G4M, Do-17, Wellington...gimme a break.)

One more thing comes to mind as I close this post. Put in some of the missing planes, RESTRICT them to the EW/MW arena exclusively(Do not even enable them in LW.) and see if you can get more people to fly the EW/MW just for the unique planeset. Other than this, fellas, I'm just about at wit's end.

<< suggested this idea at the arena split, was a no-no to must posters

i thought it had some real potential.

Sadly i think days of 1 MA are gone, even if sombody came up with an idea on par with einstein it would not be revived.

[Laurie]

Originally posted by Cooley
What about combining those two arena's and then using a '39 to '43 Rolling plane set that lasts a TOD

Use Scenario maps instead of our standard MA maps to attract more peeps

I suppose thats not too different then the current AvA though,

what about this...

ACA Arena (Air Combat Arena) no field captures, Good Fighter Town map
Main Arena (Using the new Country balance thingy) 600+ CAP
RPS Arena (Rolling Plane Set '39 to '43 using SEA maps, not AvA)
Dueling Arena ( Killshooter off so squads can do their KOTH's)
Training Arena (nice map,but only 1 field gets used there, needs fine tunin)
Special Events Arena

i like, i like a lot.

think some would feel it would just  be a subductive way of bringing back MA, but i think its smart. it suits everyone, which is waht we want. maybe a TT map would go down too, perhaps in the ACA arena?