Japanese Planeset

[Yoshimbo]

Now i know good and well this is nothing new, but it nvr rly occurred to me just how badly the japanese planeset is lacking, until now.

I was setting up the motd of a room i was about to host, a IJN/JAAF vs USN/USAAF scenario. and when i got through w/ the american planes, i saw that they had 17 of them unlocked:

A20
B26
P38G
P38J
P38L
P40B
P40E
P47D-11
P47D-25
P47D-40
P47N
P51B
P51D
F4F
F4U-1
F4U-1A
F6F

But what rly shocked em was when i went to set up the Japanese plane set:

A6M2
A6M5b
Ki67
ki61
ki84
D3A
B5N

7 planes total...SEVEN! wow

Besides the Russians, who dont even have a bomber(and only 4 fighters), the Japanese are lacking aircraft badly!

This is what i would suggest:

A6M3a "Hamp"
Ki-43 IIb  Hayabusa "Oscar"
J2M3 Raiden "Jack"
Ki45 Toryu "Nick"
Ki44-IIb "Tojo"
D4Y3a Suisei "Judy"
B7A2 Ryusei "Shooting Star"
G4M2 Model 22B "Betty"
P1Y1 Ginga "Milky Way"
Ki100 Hien

And if we ever get seaplanes:
A6M2-N "Rufe"
H8K2L "Emily"

Here are some production numbers:

A6M3 "Hamp" - 560 to 903+

Ki-43 IIb  Hayabusa "Oscar" - 2,500 to 5,919

J2M3 Raiden "Jack" - 260

Ki45 Toryu "Nick" - 1,690  to 1,700

Ki44-IIb Shoki "Tojo"- 1,167 to 1,675

D4Y3a Suisei "Judy" - 536

B7A2 Ryusei "Shooting Star" - 80

G4M2 Model 22B "Betty" - 1,154

P1Y1 Ginga "Milky Way" - 996

Ki100 Hien - 390 to 396

A6M2-N "Rufe" - 327

H8K2L "Emily" - 36

resources:
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/
http://www.combinedfleet.com/ijna/
http://www.warbirdforum.com/toryu.htm
http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/kawasaki_ki45.htm
http://www.xs4all.nl/~fbonne/warbirds/ww2htmls/
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[BaldEagl]

I agree we should at least have the Betty.

[EagleDNY]

The Betty doesn't give you much more than the Peggy (Ki-67) does now - 1,000Kg bombload vs 800Kg, and it is slower to boot.  I think Betty would end up being another hanger queen.

The J2M5 wouldn't be bad - at least is has the 4 x 20mm cannons and maybe enough power to compete with the late war rides.  Same for the Ki-100 - although slower than a lot of late war rivals in level flight, it was supposedly quite manueverable and yet controllable in a high-speed dive (think Japanese FW190).  Might be a bit of a surprise for some of the F4U boys in that one.

The Ki-45 would be an interesting addition, but we'd need a late variant like the Kai-B with the 37mm cannon to make this ride lethal enough to take out.  The early models had 2 x 12.7s and 2 x 7.7s, which pretty much makes you easy meat.  

The B7A2 (Grace) wouldn't be a bad addition - carrier based, with 2 x 20mm and a decent load (800Kg) of torpedo / bombs might get this ride some use.  It has a  decent speed for a bomber as well.  

EagleDNY
$.02

[Bronk]

It's not all about the MA is why.
Some of us fly scenarios and fso.  Thats why the betty should be included .



Bronk

[Wmaker]

These I really would like to see:

J2M3 Raiden "Jack"

Ki45 Toryu "Nick"

Ki44-IIb Shoki "Tojo"

[Ghosth]

I agree that we need loads of new Japanese planes. (and Russian planes also)


J2M3 Raiden "Jack"

Ki45 Toryu "Nick"

Ki44-IIb Shoki "Tojo"

All good choices, and I'd like to see them here asap. We also  need the Oscar, simply because there were so many of them built and used. I know its under gunned for the main, but it would be an awesome addition for scenarios & the early war arena's.

Ki-43 IIb Hayabusa "Oscar" - 2,500 to 5,919

D4Y3a Suisei "Judy" - 536 Would also be a welcome addition to the CV fleet and much more capable than the Val.

And of course I've been wanting the H8K Emily for as long as I've been flying online. 10 years now and still no flying boats. If the Emily is that scary give me the little sister Mavis!

[Jester]

D4Y3 "JUDY"

[Sikboy]

Judy, Judy, Judy.

-Sik

[EagleDNY]

Originally posted by Bronk
It's not all about the MA is why.
Some of us fly scenarios and fso.  Thats why the betty should be included .

Bronk

I'm just pointing out that for HT to model and skin a plane probably takes a lot of man hours.  Scenarios and FSO are fine (I fly em too), but it might be hard to justify spending a lot of man hours (read money) creating rides that will get little use inside the arenas.  

To get the most bang for their bucks (and to perhaps make as many customers as possible happy at the same time), I'm just saying that the Ki-100 / J2M5 / Ki-45 might be better choices to add to the planeset first.

EagleDNY
$.02

[Sikboy]

Yep, I'm guessing that from a cost effectiveness standing a lot of these will have to wait until the Pacific ToD (fingers crossed for the Solomons).

-Sik

[Krusty]

We can't even remotely set up a proper japanese scenario because the only bomber we have is a LATE WAR beast that flies faster than most fighters in the game. The Betty may not carry more of a bomb load, but it was slower, more vulnerable. It was an early/mid war plane that could actually be caught by enemy planes. That's the most important reason we need it.

Oh, and the Judy because... uh.. just because.... Judy Judy Judy!!!!


P.S. You want the Ki100 fly the Ki61, it performed better.

[Yoshimbo]

The Betty may have been slower than the ki-67 but it was more heavily armed wasn't it? at least the G4M2 Model 22B, thats why i listed that model, it was mass produced and had a better defensive armament and engines than the earlier ones which hopfully = better survivability

[EagleDNY]

Originally posted by Krusty
We can't even remotely set up a proper japanese scenario because the only bomber we have is a LATE WAR beast that flies faster than most fighters in the game. The Betty may not carry more of a bomb load, but it was slower, more vulnerable. It was an early/mid war plane that could actually be caught by enemy planes. That's the most important reason we need it.

Oh, and the Judy because... uh.. just because.... Judy Judy Judy!!!!


P.S. You want the Ki100 fly the Ki61, it performed better.

We've got the Kate already - Betty only carries one more 250kg bomb, and there isn't much that can't catch a Kate (I know, I've flown em in the scenarios).

I'm with you on the Judy - it's fast enough and has enough bombload to maybe get some use.

Ki-100 climbs faster, and although the top speed is a little less than the Ki-67, from all accounts I've read it manuevered a lot better and kept it together in a high speed dive so that they actually catch and shoot up some of that big blue American iron.  They've got one example where a batch of Ki-100s shot down 14 F6Fs with no losses, which makes me certainly wonder what it's like to fly.

I'd take the that extra 300Hp and figure I could put it to good use  Think Japanese FW190, and although the top speed might be close to the ki-67, it'd be a different animal.  

EagleDNY
$.02

[Bronk]

Originally posted by EagleDNY
 Think Japanese FW190, and although the top speed might be close to the ki-67, it'd be a different animal.  

EagleDNY
$.02

IMHO

When I think "Japanese FW190" I picture the N1K2 .


Bronk

[parin]

KI-43 iie desu!