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Offline 96Delta

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« on: December 14, 2006, 01:05:39 PM »
Hitech,

I appreciate the problems you are grappling with and the problems that addressing those issues have caused.  As I read all these posts and get my head around the major complaints (which don't need to be reiterated here) I am drifting to what may seem a very simple solution.

Why not just disable side switching?
Instead, assign all new subscribers to a 'country' and leave them there.  

I read one post where the player said they were "born a ROOK".  If that's the sentiment (and I know I share it as well) then maybe it would be better to work with the prevailing mindset rather than try and change it.  Go with the flow, so to speak.

If it were me, I would permanently auto-assign new players to countries with an inadequate number of players.  This 'balance' could be mantained behind-the-scenes in such a way merely by adjusting where new subscribers are assigned and could be adjusted to account for the number of players who are actively flying for each respective country.

This balancing system can only work if country switching is disabled.
The end effect would:

1 - Allow for the team dynamic to be maintained and for squads to flourish
2 - eliminate the abuse of players switching to be in the winning 'horde'
3 - allow for players to regularly interact with the same players and develop country loyalty and player friendships...this would lead to more spirited attacks and defenses.

I think from a business perspective, the forging of friendships in-game would be a priority.  These virtual friendships have alot of appeal for people.  Such attachments are a powerful  motivator for players to remain subscribers.  I read some posts that the friendships forged in this game are the best part of the game.  I say foster that climate and encourage the formation of friendships and community within countries.

Anyway, these are a few of the benefits that come to mind but I'm sure there are more.  Not knowing if there is a hidden impetus behind your changes aside from the obvious side-balancing issue this is what I came up with.

Now this is very simple and direct but  hasten to add one more aspect to this plan.  Significantly, it would only affect new players who subscribe from the time it goes into affect. I would recommend against making it retroactive.  Sure, sides will remain out of balance for a while but new subscribers will eventually even out the teams.

The only downside I can see to this is in the case of where a player wants to have their son or daughter or maybe a friend subscribe to the game and fly with them on their country.  This too can easily be fixed by having a field on the signup form to identify their parents/friends in-game nic.  That information can then be used to assign the new suvscriber to the same country.  And of course, having current subscribers recruit new subscribers is part of your overall mareting strategy so this would also foster that effort.

Yes, this is a relatively simple solution.  But sometimes we can't see the forest through the trees so I thought I would offer it up for your and the community's consideration.

May I ask you to consider and perhaps respond to this idea?
I am very interested in what you think of it.

Thank you,

David
« Last Edit: December 14, 2006, 01:08:13 PM by 96Delta »

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« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2006, 01:11:34 PM »
Hmmmm....... Theres Alot of people that would oppose to this idea because "they have Friends on the other side", but it seems pretty logical...


What Bad can come from this???
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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2006, 01:14:30 PM »
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Hmmmm....... Theres Alot of people that would oppose to this idea because "they have Friends on the other side", but it seems pretty logical...


What Bad can come from this???


How about have an 'open enrollment' period so Hitech can get an idea of where people actually have their loyalties?  People could then choose the country they want to be locked into.

If too many wanted to be ROOK for example.  Then assign them as they request BUT have a forced side balancing system remain in effect like we have now until sufficient new subscribers are assigned to deficit countries.  Then the forced balancing could be lifted.

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« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2006, 01:17:24 PM »
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How about have an 'open enrollment' period so Hitech can get an idea of where people actually have their loyalties?  People could then choose the country they want to be locked into.

If too many wanted to be ROOK for example.  Then assign them as they request BUT have a forced side balancing system remain in effect like we have now until sufficient new subscribers are assigned to deficit countries.  Then the forced balancing could be lifted.



This Open Enrollment thing Sounds good...but I dont think HT would want to go through  Asking each and every 5000+ subscribers he has...
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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2006, 01:17:32 PM »
Nope .
Here is why .
The whine produced when a player has to fly in a arena he doesn't want to fly in will be tremendous .

Example
Sunday when many rook squads have squad night i believe.
All try and log into blue most get in but numbers balance kicks in.
*Grumble* go to orange.
Orange gets it's quota on rooks .
*WTF* I gotta fly mid war or early war ???!!!??? I pay my money  i wanna fly late war.

Sorry David don't think so.




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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2006, 01:21:42 PM »
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This Open Enrollment thing Sounds good...but I dont think HT would want to go through  Asking each and every 5000+ subscribers he has...

It wouldn't be that involved.
Clipboard message could say "choose your country of choice by COB Friday, 11/11/11.  After that time the country you last were assigned to will be your assigned country."

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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2006, 01:23:44 PM »
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Nope .
Here is why .
The whine produced when a player has to fly in a arena he doesn't want to fly in will be tremendous .
Bronk

There are other reasons also that would hurt this.  
Everybody flys different time zones,  what if a large number of the Rooks were EST  and other PST;  Bish might primarly CST and MT; Knights primarily PST;  by 11pm PST Rook numbers would probably be low and considerably outnumbered by the other two sides.    I think back several years ago we didnt have side switch or else you could only switch once a month or every 24 hours, something like that.  

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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2006, 01:24:19 PM »
This shouldn't happen.  Maybe it will happen sporadically in the early stages of this idea's implementation but once the sides are balanced at the sign-up stage this scenario should be exceedingly rare to non-existent.

This is a solution to the very problem you describe.

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Nope .
Here is why .
The whine produced when a player has to fly in a arena he doesn't want to fly in will be tremendous .

Example
Sunday when many rook squads have squad night i believe.
All try and log into blue most get in but numbers balance kicks in.
*Grumble* go to orange.
Orange gets it's quota on rooks .
*WTF* I gotta fly mid war or early war ???!!!??? I pay my money  i wanna fly late war.

Sorry David don't think so.




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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2006, 01:27:59 PM »
96Delta: The problem right now is not an overall imbalance  between sides, It is more of people choosing an arena where they have the numbers, or leaving one they do not.

But I do appreciate the thinking outside the box.

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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2006, 01:29:07 PM »
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There are other reasons also that would hurt this.  
Everybody flys different time zones,  what if a large number of the Rooks were EST  and other PST;  Bish might primarly CST and MT; Knights primarily PST;  by 11pm PST Rook numbers would probably be low and considerably outnumbered by the other two sides.    I think back several years ago we didnt have side switch or else you could only switch once a month or every 24 hours, something like that.  

and skuzzy will be here shortly with Rule #3

This problem would be present in the early stages of this idea's implementation.  
Over time things would balance out.

Each time zone subscriber base would also balance out so online participation should be more balanced in time.  Remember, each time zone community would be affected the same so all time zones would eventually be balanced due to sign-up country assignment leveling.

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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2006, 01:31:02 PM »
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96Delta: The problem right now is not an overall imbalance  between sides, It is more of people choosing an arena where they have the numbers, or leaving one they do not.

But I do appreciate the thinking outside the box.

HiTech


Not a  problem.
Happy to add to the arena of ideas.  

I see what your saying though.
The problem then is to maintain the separate arenas but restrict entrance into those arenas when that would result in an inbalance.  Okay, let me cogitate on that one..  ;)
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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2006, 01:44:15 PM »
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96Delta: The problem right now is not an overall imbalance  between sides, It is more of people choosing an arena where they have the numbers, or leaving one they do not.

But I do appreciate the thinking outside the box.

HiTech


Okay, how about this: deny them the knowledge they need to make such a decision.

Disable country totals on the roster or take such other steps that would prevent players from determining the numerical strengths of any given country.  Then players wouldn't be able to see which country had the numbers.

I was originally thinking as I wrote this that you could make this data available only after they logged into a country (and were restricted from choosing again) but this could be abused.

No, you have to lose this data altogether.  After all, a pilot in the 8th AF had no idea how many germans he was up against or how many firendlies were with him.  Why should we?

Just thinking with my fingers here...

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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2006, 01:54:49 PM »
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96Delta: The problem right now is not an overall imbalance  between sides, It is more of people choosing an arena where they have the numbers, or leaving one they do not.

But I do appreciate the thinking outside the box.

HiTech



Well, history could repeat itself and we could go back to not having so many arena's to choose from - turn the clock back about 6 months to the original MA idea. . . . then institute 96delta's idea and take away the part of the roster that listed #'s on for each country, and people wouldn't know which side to gang up on, etc.  I guess you could also eliminate the chess piece emblem next to the names on the roster, maybe just list total # of players signed on or something like that . . .

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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2006, 01:55:28 PM »
Not bad at all.

Maybe a few changes -

1) Once you are logged into an arena you can't swap arenas for a given time. stops people logging in and out, to find out which arena has the numbers. Sometimes you'll luck in, other times you won't.

2) Make exception for discos.

3) Would need something to allow squads to locate members.

On the original idea -

1) Dump Bish/Knit/Rook totally. Hell, call them Tutus, Thongs and Skivvies.

2) Assign squads based on the majority of the members time zones.

3) Use non squad guys to balance out

4) Then lock country jumping.

5) Use new guys to balance between the inevitable fluctuation between subscribed country members.

Probably still flaws in that, but just tossing it out.
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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2006, 02:17:28 PM »
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...I guess you could also eliminate the chess piece emblem next to the names on the roster, maybe just list total # of players signed on or something like that . . .


Instead of placing a country icon beside all players on the roster page, only place a friendly icon next to members of your team.  The rest are hostiles.  It doesn't matter what country they are in...they are targets.

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