Great Heisman Ripoff

[Choocha]

College football is a complete fraud.  We all know that.  With the BCS doo doo, and confrences like the Big 10, which are inferior, play less games, but still get the #1 spot and the heisman.

Look at this kid from Arkansas and tell me he shouldln't win the heisman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FCfZoPGEFA


He's doing that against top 10 opponents....in the best conference BY FAR.

[doobs]

good one,

check out the rutgers boys and count the hurdles.

Ray rice is a sophmore, and will be a serious heisman contender.

Dynamic Duo

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Choocha
College football is a complete fraud.  We all know that.  With the BCS doo doo, and confrences like the Big 10, which are inferior, play less games, but still get the #1 spot and the heisman.

Look at this kid from Arkansas and tell me he shouldln't win the heisman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FCfZoPGEFA


He's doing that against top 10 opponents....in the best conference BY FAR.

Some very nice playing there.
also see some very nice O-Line work as well.

Im with doobs. But there is a bit of prejudiced there as well.

Remember the Name Brian Leonerd and hope your team takes him.
Damn good back and TEAM player.
Not to mention a real class act

He'll go on the first day of the draft. the only question is to whom

[Dace]

Half of all the All-America picks came from the Big-10, that means the other half came from all the other conferences combined. And the Big-10 is inferior? You'll see how "inferior" the Big-10 is to the SEC come January. Heck, I'd bet on Michigan to beat Florida and they're the Big-10 runner-up.

OH and BTW Troy Smith pwn joo all!1!1!111111!:O

[BlkKnit]

McFadden is................





fast

He is outrunning the fastest defensive players on some of the fastest teams around. But again, he is only a sophmore.   Next years race should be interesting.

Oh and Dace, The top 2 teams in the country may very well be OSU and Mich.   And obviously Wisconsin is very good, but the rest of the Big10 is not.  Top to bottom, the SEC is a nightmare.  The best SEC team may be LSU and they lost 2 games in the conference.  The toughest defense against us this year was Ol' Miss, they held McFadden down most all day.  And they are possibly the worst of the SEC teams this year.  No one strolls through the line like that against these kinds of fast defenses and takes it to the house that much, its crazy!  I mean theres a play like that in nearly every game Arkansas played.

USC and Mississippi are the only 2 games I can think of that he didn't bust out in one way or another.  And he was only about 75% against USC.  The key is blocking though, as has already been mentioned.  The O-line has been awesome this year, and the fullback is a converted tailback, and PO'ed about it...defenders pay the price for that.

Smith getting the Heisman was just a formality IMO.  As long as OSU kept winning the award was his to lose.

[Reschke]

Dace,

What a joke that is. Please tell me you did not think that Charles Woodson who won the Heisman over Peyton Manning was a better player????

The reasons that the Big 10, Pac 10 and ACC gets more publicity is the tie in with ESPN and ABC. Along with the fact that the higher density population centers are in those three conferences and they have more votes in all the polls and in the Heisman voting. Those are the only reasons.

[gobucks]

Big Ten is inferior.

Give me a break.  Somebody sounds jealous.

Wait until January 8 and say that.

How does an inferior conference have 2 of the top 3 teams in the country (3 in the top 7)?

When Michigan stomps USC and my beloved Ohio State Buckeyes spank the over-rated Gators, you will change your mind.

Don't get me wrong, McFadden is an amazing football player.  But lets be realistic, he is only a sophmore.

Lets not forget that the Buckeyes now have 7 Heisman trophys (tied for most ever), plus the only 2-time winner.  I guess that means we have been inferior for quite some time.

O-H

[Choocha]

The Big10 had its day, no doubt.  Say during the 50's, 60's and 70's.  The game has changed and evolved.

That said, OSU and U of M are awsome programs.  No doubt.  They both could win the SEC.  I'm talking about the other 8-9 teams in your conference.


Just sorry.  Wisconsin is above average then the rest just suck bad.



The Big10 is really just the Big2.

[Nefarious]

Originally posted by BlkKnit


He is outrunning the fastest defensive players on some of the fastest teams around. But again, he is only a sophmore.   Next years race should be interesting.

Steve Slaton will win the Hiesmann next year. Should have won it this year IMO.

[BlkKnit]

3 good teams do not make a monster conference.  Try running in a conference with 12 good teams and see how well you sleep at night.

The BIGTEN plays good football.  OSU should beat Florida, if they dont we should never hear about how great the BIGTEN is again, forevermore  Just a joke, I love these debates. (I'll take Florida and the 8 1/2 points in this one!)

I'm taking USC and the points over Michi-cant.  Dont really care either way though.

Arkansas can beat Wisconsin, question is: will they?  We got a bad record in bowls for some reason.  I thinm its because we travel so well, that we get into bigger bowls than we rate.  This year, we rated the bowl we got and I expect it to be a whale of a game.  I'm picking............um yeah, Arkansas!

I'll take Tennessee over Penn State too.

Theres 3 SEC vs BIGTEN matchups that should see a 2 - 1 advantage for the SEC.

[BlkKnit]

Originally posted by Nefarious
Steve Slaton will win the Hiesmann next year. Should have won it this year IMO.

He just might win it. He's in the Big Easy ( Not N.O.) after all

[gobucks]

Agreed, I love these debates.  Great lockeroom banter.

Some valid points about top-bottom quality.

Wisconsin is decent this year but not great.

No doubt the top of the Big Ten is awesome, unfortunately this year we do have some lower quality teams.

However, most arguments I hear about the depth of the SEC are flawed since they just beat up on each other and use those wins to further their strength of schedule argument.

When the top SEC teams start playing top programs around the country at the beginning of the year, they will get more respect.

Consider the fact that Michigan plays ND just about every year.  

OSU has played Texas the last two years, at Washington next year, at USC in 2008, USC at home in 2009, and in Columbus vs Miami (FL) in 2010.

Playing and winning versus quality competition outside your conference makes the program better.

PS>  Found a nice little table  http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/alltime

[Red Tail 444]

Troy deserved to win this year, mcfadden is in the running 2007.

OSU and Mich will destroy their opponents come January. Michigan especially is pissed off, and has something to prove. they'll win by at least 4 touchdowns.

[BlkKnit]

good points about out of conference schedules, but that knife cuts both ways.  The Big Ten must go outside for good competition


Arkansas played (and beat) Texas at Texas in 2003, lost to them by 2 in Arkansas because of a bonehead fumble near the end in 2004.  Got clobbered by USC in 2005 and 2006, but the 2006 game, man, love to have another shot at that one.

Its the SW Missouri States that kill strength of schedule, mid-majors would fit the bill well enough and not hurt SOC so bad.

That type of scedule is typical in the SEC but better at many of the schools each year:
Georgia vs G Tech
Fla vs Fl State
South Carolina vs Clemson

[gobucks]

BlkKnit,

Good point about "must" go out of conference for competition.  Never thought of it that way.  

Hard to believe that I didn't see it that way-not.

I guess all that Scarlet and Gray blood running thru my system has skewed my objectivity-;)