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Offline WhiteHawk

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Will we back out of Iraq?
« on: December 16, 2006, 07:01:33 AM »
As I was thinking about how we are going to get out of Iraq and not leave a mid-east catastrophe behind, I came to the conclusion that there is no answer other than to escalate the war.  Option 1.) start pulling out and Iran takes over Iraq and the oil fields making Iran the superpower of the eastern hemisphere.  Option 2.)  Stay the course and keep sending our warriors over there to be bled to death.  Option 3) Support the sunni faction militarily to crush the Iranian backed shia, then let the american supported sunni's take care of the insurgents.  Option 3 is the only real option and that would require a substantial
increase in US troops.  Here we goooooooooooooooooooo:(
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2006, 07:58:30 AM »
wow - you figured that out all by yourself?
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2006, 11:22:21 AM »
Well if you go for option 3 I know of a guy that would be perfect for the job. He got decades of experience in dealing with the shi'ites. Only problem is he's in jail now.
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2006, 11:40:33 AM »
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As I was thinking about how we are going to get out of Iraq and not leave a mid-east catastrophe behind...(


Ahem... the catastrophe is already there.

Just sayin'...
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2006, 05:44:17 PM »
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Ahem... the catastrophe is already there.

Just sayin'...


I really do not mean to make light of the losses in Iraq I mean if you are killed, the casualties are 100%. If your friend or brother is killed, the casualty rate is too high. But looking at this from a historical perspective, (using fatalities as a benchmark) this has been anything but a catastrophe... militarily speaking.

General Pickett lost more in a walk of a few hundred yards than the coalition has lost in almost four years.  We lost 60 thousand in the three days surrounding Picketts charge.  At Gallipoli, Austrailia alone lost 7600, NZ lost 2400.  The rest of the British Commonwealth lost 22,000.
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2006, 06:06:07 PM »
The only ones 'bleeding to death' are Iraqi's. The sooner the new freely elected democratic government in Iraq can get things under control the sooner we could leave. They are unfamiliar with ruling 'by the people' and much more familiar with rule by firepower. Trouble is democracy moves alot slower than bullets so we are going to be there for at least two more years.
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2006, 06:16:20 PM »
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Ahem... the catastrophe is already there.

Just sayin'...


I agree 100%.  This war should have never happened.  It is a catastrophe of mammoth porportions.  Now that a new leadership has inherited bases loaded and nobody out for the bad guys, what do they do?
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2006, 06:17:01 PM »
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wow - you figured that out all by yourself?


Figured what out all by myself?
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2006, 06:17:45 PM »
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Well if you go for option 3 I know of a guy that would be perfect for the job. He got decades of experience in dealing with the shi'ites. Only problem is he's in jail now.


heheh, I was thinking that myself.  We should probably appoint him secretary of defense and take notes.
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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2006, 06:22:16 PM »
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I really do not mean to make light of the losses in Iraq I mean if you are killed, the casualties are 100%. If your friend or brother is killed, the casualty rate is too high. But looking at this from a historical perspective, (using fatalities as a benchmark) this has been anything but a catastrophe... militarily speaking.

General Pickett lost more in a walk of a few hundred yards than the coalition has lost in almost four years.  We lost 60 thousand in the three days surrounding Picketts charge.  At Gallipoli, Austrailia alone lost 7600, NZ lost 2400.  The rest of the British Commonwealth lost 22,000.


I disagree, at $500,000,000,000.00 this is the worst military catastrophe in the history of humankind.
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2006, 12:39:13 AM »
The worst military catastrophe of all time?  I hope all the drugs are making you say that.


The old european nations used to sneeze away more people and money in wars then the oldest person alive has ever seen in his life time.
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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2006, 01:29:46 AM »
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I disagree, at $500,000,000,000.00 this is the worst military catastrophe in the history of humankind.


Heaven forbid you adjust for inflation, but you wouldn't have a point then.
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2006, 01:37:04 AM »
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I agree 100%.  This war should have never happened.  It is a catastrophe of mammoth porportions.  Now that a new leadership has inherited bases loaded and nobody out for the bad guys, what do they do?


Hummmm...new "leadership?"  You are aware that the Congress does not run wars aren't you?  Or are you just a product of the public education system?

Most of the dem bottom feeders have already backed off from most of their pre-election promises including impeachment, pulling out the troops and adopting 100% of the 9/11 commissions recommendations.  Of course, it's a lot easier to make these sort of ridiculous "promises", point fingers, and lay blame when you're out of power.  The dems have been like much of the press, all smoke and no balls and no responsibility.  Now they're in power they've got themselves a big problem since they know they've been full of crap for years and still don't have anything constructive to offer.
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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2006, 07:31:44 AM »
Well boys, if you're going to drag history into this let's compare this to every other war the U.S. has fought in it's history.

Compared to all the others, this has been one of the longest...four years and counting.

Yet, going by a strict body count of U.S. casualties, it is one of the least bloody.

Note the following statistics;  These are deaths from combat as well as non-combat related fatalities in-theater, which in some wars made up as much as twenty-percent of all casualties.  Only deaths are listed.

Revolutionary War 4,435

War of 1812...2,260

Mexican War.....13,283

Civil War...Union....349,528

Civil War....Confederate.....198,524

Spanish-American......2,456

Philippine-American......3,216

WWI.....116,708

WWII.....407,316

Korea.....54,246

Vietnam.....58,168

First Gulf War....293

Operation Enduring Freedom/Afganistan-Pakistan.....350

Operation Iraqi Freedom.....2,863 combat.....572 due to non-hostile causes



These figures were updated at the web-site where I got them in November of this year.


Strictly speaking, in terms of actual casualties, it is NOT a disaster of mammoth proportions.  The civilian discontent over the war and the "body-count" has been largely orchestrated and demagogued.
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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2006, 07:37:01 AM »
Well the current dem plan to flee iraq code named "Operation Somalia" will surely free the world of our burdensome war for democracy... Of course it was such a peaceful place before the invasion, free of terrorist training camps and UN inspectors, and then evil Boosch had to close yourops favorite cash cow and vacation rape rooms and end the party... ITs not to late though, Saddam can be placed back in power to re-establish the Rape rooms and human Meat grinders and possibly once again become the favorite hangout for all peaceful dictators across yourop and the middle east..
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