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Offline Sandman

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« on: December 23, 2006, 08:20:08 PM »
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9056068192424546470

This probably won't help you decide which console to purchase... but hell... an informed consumer is a smart consumer.
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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2006, 08:37:47 PM »
Oh, and not the Wii chick either.
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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2006, 08:47:44 PM »
People are trying to trade their PS3s for Wiis.  

Straight across.

Even though the PS3 costs twice as much.
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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2006, 11:04:38 PM »
I have been hearing the same thing from the kids at work.  Wii apparently kicks much arse and has better games.
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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2006, 12:41:43 AM »
I'd love to see Call of Duty on the Wii.
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« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2006, 12:52:37 AM »
All the anecdotal stuff I heard indicates that the Wii kicks and is kicking the crap out of PS3.

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« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2006, 01:13:55 AM »
I think Sony and Microsoft both overestimated the market for bigger, better, faster, more. Hell... In November, the PS2 still outsold every other console.

PS3 and XBox 360 offer nothing new. They're just prettier versions of the same stuff that is available on PS2 or XBox. It's the same problem with the gaming industry altogether. When was the last time they came out with something genuinely new and different?

Then along comes Wii. It's not just new, it's different and it's flying off the shelves. Maybe the rest of the industry will get a clue.
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« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2006, 01:19:14 AM »
but PS3 will have the new GRAND THEFT AUTO later in 2007:D

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« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2006, 02:47:50 AM »
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but PS3 will have the new GRAND THEFT AUTO later in 2007:D



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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2006, 03:06:08 AM »
I love that picture. :rofl
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« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2006, 04:25:19 AM »
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but PS3 will have the new GRAND THEFT AUTO later in 2007:D


So will the Xbox 360.




As to the person who mentioned it, Callof Duty sucks on the Wii.  However the sports game that comes with the console, Wii Sports is outrageously fun.

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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2006, 10:42:56 AM »
Saw a good read about this at Tom's Hardware

For some reason, Playstation 3s have been popping up around the country here and there. You still need to have some luck to come across a console, but there's a good chance that you'll run into available units on your last shopping day before Christmas. And question will be: Should you buy it?


Waiting for the PS3: Tent cities forming in front of stores ...

Well, here is a situation few of us had expected: The Playstation 3 is actually in reach, without a need to shell out a big premium to an Ebay seller. I admit, I was among those who wanted to buy a PS3 initially and I really did not want to deal with a lower resolution Wii and a one-year-old Xbox 360.


But who camps out seven days in front of a Best Buy to get a game console? Certainly not me and when I saw that PS3s were going for $4000+ on Ebay I planned on getting the console sometime in Spring, when I believed supply would be able to catch up with demand. Turns out supply is already easing: A few days ago, my wife and I were grocery shopping, and while we were picking out green beans, the store manager announced over the speaker that PS3s would be available. Of course, we rushed over to the electronics apartment and got in line (it's always a good thing to have a spouse who understands your needs.)

So, there we were, third in line and guaranteed a 60 GB console. But then, reality kicks in and questions your excitement for HD gaming: This thing is expensive! $600 plus another $60 and taxes add more than $700 to your credit card balance. Don't forget, we are talking about a toy here.

Anyway, we decided to get it - sooner or later I would have to get one anyway to write about games and to keep up with my colleague Mark Raby, who keeps telling me how great his Wii is. The PS3 has now been under our TV for two days and the old PS2 has begun collecting dust, but the excitement for the shiny PS3 has somewhat faded, because the PS3 didn't meet quite my expectations.

If you end up in a similar scenario and come across a suddenly available PS3 right before or after Christmas, here's what you should keep in mind and don't buy the console if you ...

(1) ... aren't absolutely sure that you can afford a $600 toy
I mentioned it above and you've heard it before. The price tag is $600 (the 20 GB and $500 version is rather rare) and, of course, that's not all. You'll have to consider at least one game, and in many cases a $50 HDMI cable. Down the road, you'll be buying more games - in the end, you don't want to waste your $600 investment. So, its likely that you'll it'll cost you close to $1000 to enjoy your PS3.

While standing in line for the PS3, I overheard a discussion from a couple in front of, which was not really about the PS3, but more about some possibilities how they could tell their landlord that they couldn't afford their next rent payment because of the purchase of the PS3. I don't have to be Suze Orman to tell you that its plain stupid to buy a PS3 if that means you can't buy food or rent anymore.

(2) ... don't have the appropriate HD equipment to go along with it
We have an HDTV, at least that is what they told us almost four years ago when we bought it. But of course, there's no HDMI interface and without HDMI, you won't see much of the PS3's HD capability. So, my recommendation is that if buy buy a PS3, you better make sure that you have the whole package - at least a 720p HDTV with HDMI interface and since we are at it, a decent surround sound system. Anything below that, the PS2 is not only the more economical, but clearly the smarter choice.

(3) ... don't know exactly what you want to do with it
The choice of games for the PS3 is rather limited right now. But in the end, games and your passion for gaming that will lead you to justify the purchase of this expensive toy. So, if there is a game you definitely are looking for and if it is a game you can't have on the PS2, you have a point. But if you aren't sure and just speculate that there may be great games or base your buying decision on the screenshots on the game cover, there's a good chance that you will be disappointed. As for me, I could care less about first person shooters, but I love racing games on the PS2. I expected a fun experience from Ridge Racer 7 and was terribly disappointed. Yes, there are more shadows, more voices, more background detail and you hear the birds singing, but I expected more from a PS3. I was glad to hear that current PS3 games only exploit about 50% of the console's capabilities. Which means, however, that I could have waited a few more months to buy the console.

Let me be clear, I still think the PS3 is a great machine - even if it is overpriced for what you can get out of it today. There are a number of cool features - for example, I love the flawless integration of Wi-Fi and the fact that the device was able to connect to online games without hiccups. Loading times of (current) games have clearly decreased: Some PS2 titles that took 30 seconds or so to load are available almost instantly on the PS3. And then there is the fact that you have a BD-ROM (Blu-ray) player, which is a nice add-on. But I doubt the PS3 will serve as the main HD movie player in future homes.

So, if you aren't in Paris Hilton's tax bracket, there are a few things to consider when purchasing a PS3. Don't be fooled by the sparkle of the latest and greatest on the market. Game consoles are supposed to entertain us and give us a few hours fun. I doubt that the PS3 is capable of providing more fun than a $130 PS2, a $400 Xbox 360 or a $250 Nintendo Wii - at least during Christmas 2006.

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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2006, 12:10:15 PM »
I played with a Wii today (that doesn't sound quite right, hmmm) and had a blast...  fishing.

In the Zelda game, there's a fishing segment.  You're the main character in a boat, and you can just hang out and fish.  I cast using the same hand motions I would for real.  Pressed the button to lock the line, swung and released.  Watched the hook/lure fly exactly where I threw it.

I wiggled the controller back and forth, and the lure acted just like I had done the same with a real rod.  I saw a bass getting close, so I twitched the lure and slowly tugged it back.  In my right hand I had the other half of the controller (it's connected to the first with a cable) and I made the same motions with it that I would winding a fishing pole, and it tugged the lure closer to me.  Interested, the fish swam up and took the bait.

I yanked the pole back with my right hand and got him on the hook!  I started working the line and winding it in.  The fish was really fighting me, and at one point slipped the hook.  I tried a couple more times, then managed to pull a fish in and land him.  

I realized that the only thing the guy at the store had to tell me was which button controlled the catch on the reel, and even that was intuitive because it was exactly where I'd expect it to be on a real setup.

I want one, hope they ship more in soon.
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« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2006, 01:09:38 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by LePaul
Saw a good read about this at Tom's Hardware

For some reason, Playstation 3s have been popping up around the country here and there. You still need to have some luck to come across a console, but there's a good chance that you'll run into available units on your last shopping day before Christmas. And question will be: Should you buy it?


Waiting for the PS3: Tent cities forming in front of stores ...

Well, here is a situation few of us had expected: The Playstation 3 is actually in reach, without a need to shell out a big premium to an Ebay seller. I admit, I was among those who wanted to buy a PS3 initially and I really did not want to deal with a lower resolution Wii and a one-year-old Xbox 360.


But who camps out seven days in front of a Best Buy to get a game console? Certainly not me and when I saw that PS3s were going for $4000+ on Ebay I planned on getting the console sometime in Spring, when I believed supply would be able to catch up with demand. Turns out supply is already easing: A few days ago, my wife and I were grocery shopping, and while we were picking out green beans, the store manager announced over the speaker that PS3s would be available. Of course, we rushed over to the electronics apartment and got in line (it's always a good thing to have a spouse who understands your needs.)

So, there we were, third in line and guaranteed a 60 GB console. But then, reality kicks in and questions your excitement for HD gaming: This thing is expensive! $600 plus another $60 and taxes add more than $700 to your credit card balance. Don't forget, we are talking about a toy here.

Anyway, we decided to get it - sooner or later I would have to get one anyway to write about games and to keep up with my colleague Mark Raby, who keeps telling me how great his Wii is. The PS3 has now been under our TV for two days and the old PS2 has begun collecting dust, but the excitement for the shiny PS3 has somewhat faded, because the PS3 didn't meet quite my expectations.

If you end up in a similar scenario and come across a suddenly available PS3 right before or after Christmas, here's what you should keep in mind and don't buy the console if you ...

(1) ... aren't absolutely sure that you can afford a $600 toy
I mentioned it above and you've heard it before. The price tag is $600 (the 20 GB and $500 version is rather rare) and, of course, that's not all. You'll have to consider at least one game, and in many cases a $50 HDMI cable. Down the road, you'll be buying more games - in the end, you don't want to waste your $600 investment. So, its likely that you'll it'll cost you close to $1000 to enjoy your PS3.

While standing in line for the PS3, I overheard a discussion from a couple in front of, which was not really about the PS3, but more about some possibilities how they could tell their landlord that they couldn't afford their next rent payment because of the purchase of the PS3. I don't have to be Suze Orman to tell you that its plain stupid to buy a PS3 if that means you can't buy food or rent anymore.

(2) ... don't have the appropriate HD equipment to go along with it
We have an HDTV, at least that is what they told us almost four years ago when we bought it. But of course, there's no HDMI interface and without HDMI, you won't see much of the PS3's HD capability. So, my recommendation is that if buy buy a PS3, you better make sure that you have the whole package - at least a 720p HDTV with HDMI interface and since we are at it, a decent surround sound system. Anything below that, the PS2 is not only the more economical, but clearly the smarter choice.

(3) ... don't know exactly what you want to do with it
The choice of games for the PS3 is rather limited right now. But in the end, games and your passion for gaming that will lead you to justify the purchase of this expensive toy. So, if there is a game you definitely are looking for and if it is a game you can't have on the PS2, you have a point. But if you aren't sure and just speculate that there may be great games or base your buying decision on the screenshots on the game cover, there's a good chance that you will be disappointed. As for me, I could care less about first person shooters, but I love racing games on the PS2. I expected a fun experience from Ridge Racer 7 and was terribly disappointed. Yes, there are more shadows, more voices, more background detail and you hear the birds singing, but I expected more from a PS3. I was glad to hear that current PS3 games only exploit about 50% of the console's capabilities. Which means, however, that I could have waited a few more months to buy the console.

Let me be clear, I still think the PS3 is a great machine - even if it is overpriced for what you can get out of it today. There are a number of cool features - for example, I love the flawless integration of Wi-Fi and the fact that the device was able to connect to online games without hiccups. Loading times of (current) games have clearly decreased: Some PS2 titles that took 30 seconds or so to load are available almost instantly on the PS3. And then there is the fact that you have a BD-ROM (Blu-ray) player, which is a nice add-on. But I doubt the PS3 will serve as the main HD movie player in future homes.

So, if you aren't in Paris Hilton's tax bracket, there are a few things to consider when purchasing a PS3. Don't be fooled by the sparkle of the latest and greatest on the market. Game consoles are supposed to entertain us and give us a few hours fun. I doubt that the PS3 is capable of providing more fun than a $130 PS2, a $400 Xbox 360 or a $250 Nintendo Wii - at least during Christmas 2006.


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« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2006, 01:27:07 PM »
Its an interesting line-up to be sure.

Consider:

XBOX360 (which runs XBOX games, albeit theres been glitches reported... its a microsoft product so its no surprise!)

Pros: Very good graphics and sound. Price is damn decent for such a performance.

Cons: Very limited... very very limited choice of games.

Seeing the XBOX360, a year after release, having less games than the newly released 'other' consoles is just disheartening.

My Rating :  3/10
- and its all because it has few games. What good is a top notch machine if you dont have games to run on it? Its like buying a linux box and thinking you can go to the mall and buy a computer game that will run on it.

Nintendo Wii

Pros: Innovative controls, good graphics/sound. The #1 seller here is the Wii controller of course. Very decent price too!. Wii can run other Nintendo platform games too.

Cons: While the Wii has much better game availability than the XBOX360 ... it suffers from LACK of game choices. Most Nintendo games are kiddie like games or uninspired first person shooters (most of them available on all other consoles) or unoriginal fantasy/puzzle games. Think: Mario / Rainbow 6 / Zelda

My rating : 7/10
- and it gets the bulk of those points for the innovative controller. Perhaps Nintendo will wake up and release more varied games.


Playstation 3

Pros: Very powerful system, an incredible array of available games (runs Ps2 games and by track record, Playstation has the widest and most numerous game lineups of any console.

Cons: Price. Just.. price. (though i wish they'd release a controller similar to the Wii and make games to use it!)

My rating: 1/10
- and it loses 9 points because of the price tag. Sony is shooting itself in the foot on the Ps3.  Even if years pass by the price tag will keep the bulk of their old time costumers from buying this console.

Playstation 2

Pros: Incredible variety of games. Price is very, very good now ($125!)
Cons: Its old gen now.

My rating: 9/10
- even if it is an old gen console it is still a good and fun console system. Considering the fact that the PS2 will likely be around for 5 more years it makes this console one of the best buys.


I wonder why Sony has not released a Ps3 without the blu-ray system (which is the item that jacks the price up so much) but with a big hard drive (120 gigs) and allow players to use the HDD as a 'cache' drive. That way the advantage of the blue-ray to give developers the big space to code beautiful graphics can be retained. If the price tag of such a PS3 drops to under $200 without the Blu-ray im sure the consumers will not mind a couple minutes wait while a game "cache's " into the hard drive before playing. (just like Final Fantasy XI does now on the PS2 anyways).