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« Reply #45 on: December 27, 2006, 03:41:44 PM »
for some i think it's all they've known.  they enjoyed ganging and found that AH fully allowed this so they stayed.  they see no reason to switch or move their squad, because they pay $15/month to gang....anyone who wants otherwise is a whiner to these people because they threaten their gangings and easy kills. some will say they want a challenge, but not enough to change sides.  like i've always said, it's HTC's game.  i know some in here like to play the whiner card, i would rather discuss the issue and ignore the people who would rather not, as they really have nothing to contribute it seems.
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« Reply #46 on: December 27, 2006, 04:19:12 PM »
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for some i think it's all they've known.  they enjoyed ganging and found that AH fully allowed this so they stayed.  they see no reason to switch or move their squad, because they pay $15/month to gang....anyone who wants otherwise is a whiner to these people because they threaten their gangings and easy kills. some will say they want a challenge, but not enough to change sides.  like i've always said, it's HTC's game.  i know some in here like to play the whiner card, i would rather discuss the issue and ignore the people who would rather not, as they really have nothing to contribute it seems.


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« Reply #47 on: December 27, 2006, 06:22:48 PM »
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for some i think it's all they've known.  they enjoyed ganging and found that AH fully allowed this so they stayed.  they see no reason to switch or move their squad, because they pay $15/month to gang....anyone who wants otherwise is a whiner to these people because they threaten their gangings and easy kills. some will say they want a challenge, but not enough to change sides.  like i've always said, it's HTC's game.  i know some in here like to play the whiner card, i would rather discuss the issue and ignore the people who would rather not, as they really have nothing to contribute it seems.


I have just left the arenas and I'm a knight in the ewa, which was the lowest numbered country and found it dead, so I switched to lwa-blue and switched to rooks for the same reason and found that the rooks had become just like the bishops.

Before all of this swapping BS started, I could tell which country I was flying for by what was being said over the vox (or not, in the case of the bishops). After bouncing from country to country for the past week, I've decided that I don't think I like this game anymore.

I'm tired of not knowing whom I have watching my back, nor do I know who it is I'm helping out. Most of the other players are starting to "blur" into each other, if that makes sense. Seems to me that the same people are shooting me down and all of the countrymen I'm up with all have numbers for names. This is the lowest I've scored in a god awful long time, and I don't think I really give a damn anymore.

Then I come in here and hear the same old elitist "it's someone else's fault" and stupid generalizations and assumptions. Take that quote above. Pluck says "i would rather discuss the issue and ignore the people who would rather not, as they really have nothing to contribute it seems." Not once does he "contribute" in that quote, he's saying absolutely nothing. I thank my higher power that I don't work for the post office.

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ok all lets be honest about this problem. squads did not create this mess. peaple pay to play this game so telling them who to fly with is ridiculous to even think about. so lets tell the honest truth here, when the arena's was split it created a whole bunch of problems that with each "fix" keeps getting worse. i have also seen many of those that say they are side switchers, but in reality they are on the side with the largest number of players. so lets just admit that the multiple arena's didnt work go back to the big MA and start having fun again. and for the 10 or 15 guys that like the EW and MW keep em for them.


OK, I hate saying this, because it means I'm admitting I was wrong, but I'm starting to agree with this outlook. Since the split up, I seem to have more and more connection and lagging problems. I'm beginning to think it's because the servers have been divided and are trying to keep up with four different world. Or my provider could have screwed up my connection, yet again. More people are whining, including those whining about the whiners. I really haven't seen too many people playing in any of the other arenas and one late war arena will fill to the brim before the other late war arena can even get close to capacity. When the lemmings start running off of the cliff, I just have to go and watch. Maybe the lemmings are on to something. Maybe I was wrong in assuming that the splits would be a good thing. Nobody in the arena's seem to want it and the only ch200 whines I hear are from the same people whining here in the forum.

Sorry, I'm just discouraged with this. I should be better later.

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« Reply #48 on: December 27, 2006, 06:50:23 PM »
I've kinda gotten discouraged in the other direction. I dont mind meeting new people. In fact, it's been great getting to know people from all countries...

But I've decided to give up on trying to keep things balanced. If the low side has  good fights, or good capture/defense battles -- I'm there.  If not, I'm switching to whatever side I can find fun on.


That means that I'll become part of the imbalance problem instead of helping with the solution, but there's only so much one person can do. I'm not going to care about balance more than HiTech does, because thats both frustrating and futile.

Keeping it fun for all 3 countries isn't my job, it's the designer's. If he's abdicated  this responsibility in the name of "free choice" for a community that clearly doesn't value the common good, well -- from now on, its not my problem.
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« Reply #49 on: December 27, 2006, 07:01:16 PM »
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I have just left the arenas and I'm a knight in the ewa, which was the lowest numbered country and found it dead, so I switched to lwa-blue and switched to rooks for the same reason and found that the rooks had become just like the bishops.

Before all of this swapping BS started, I could tell which country I was flying for by what was being said over the vox (or not, in the case of the bishops). After bouncing from country to country for the past week, I've decided that I don't think I like this game anymore.

I'm tired of not knowing whom I have watching my back, nor do I know who it is I'm helping out. Most of the other players are starting to "blur" into each other, if that makes sense. Seems to me that the same people are shooting me down and all of the countrymen I'm up with all have numbers for names. This is the lowest I've scored in a god awful long time, and I don't think I really give a damn anymore.

Then I come in here and hear the same old elitist "it's someone else's fault" and stupid generalizations and assumptions. Take that quote above. Pluck says "i would rather discuss the issue and ignore the people who would rather not, as they really have nothing to contribute it seems." Not once does he "contribute" in that quote, he's saying absolutely nothing. I thank my higher power that I don't work for the post office.



OK, I hate saying this, because it means I'm admitting I was wrong, but I'm starting to agree with this outlook. Since the split up, I seem to have more and more connection and lagging problems. I'm beginning to think it's because the servers have been divided and are trying to keep up with four different world. Or my provider could have screwed up my connection, yet again. More people are whining, including those whining about the whiners. I really haven't seen too many people playing in any of the other arenas and one late war arena will fill to the brim before the other late war arena can even get close to capacity. When the lemmings start running off of the cliff, I just have to go and watch. Maybe the lemmings are on to something. Maybe I was wrong in assuming that the splits would be a good thing. Nobody in the arena's seem to want it and the only ch200 whines I hear are from the same people whining here in the forum.

Sorry, I'm just discouraged with this. I should be better later.




wow!!!!   someone just had an epiphany!!!!!

a moment of clarity!!!!

very well said!!!!
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« Reply #50 on: December 27, 2006, 07:01:31 PM »
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Then I come in here and hear the same old elitist "it's someone else's fault" and stupid generalizations and assumptions. Take that quote above. Pluck says "i would rather discuss the issue and ignore the people who would rather not, as they really have nothing to contribute it seems." Not once does he "contribute" in that quote, he's saying absolutely nothing. I thank my higher power that I don't work for the post office.
 


okay. what i was saying is that playing a game that allows and rewards players for ganging on a country, i would think, have a tendancy of attracting certain types of players.  good or bad, thats not my call.  

as for the part you quoted, it is saying something.  it is saying many people would rather come here, and rather than discuss an issue, just start in with silly childish bickering about who is a whiner and so on and so forth.  the contribution from that quote is, if you want to be heard don't start in with whiner this whiner that; or the other great argument that if someone has too many posts their point is not valid; or claiming that you speak and know the minds of the majority of AH.

i'm sorry you can't have fun with any other countries and your score is suffering.  you made friends with your other country, not sure why you can't make friends with everyone else.  i agree with you that people should not blame others and take responsability for their actions, but this is mostly just talk.  everyone has their reasons for not wanting to level the playing field, yet the problem remains.  saying you want to fix it, but will not do what is necessary to fix it, is not exactly helping......the problem remains.  this problem was here well before the arenas split, hence eny.  the split in some ways has made this problem a bit more intensified, but the outcome has always beent the same.  the country with low numbers gets totally pounded by everyone resulting in reset.  some don't see this as a problem at all.  some view this as the greatest advantage and most fun thing you could have.  i worry that this will attract more types of people who don't really want to fight, but beat up on a country that does not have the man power to even come close to making it an engagement......thus moving the game further from what i enjoy the most.

as far as the BBS, ya it was a rough transition with the split and all, now it seems just about back to normal.

shoot, just realized i didn't make validate my point by name calling:(  bunch o dweebs.  there that should do it.
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« Reply #51 on: December 27, 2006, 07:11:07 PM »
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I like being outnumbered some too. .........

I took a lot on the chin, and well, it stopped being fun.

When I said "find a fight", I meant "find a place to have fun." I dont mind dying, but if there isnt a time when I get to give some back there isnt much joy in it.



Simaril, by adding my comments I didn't mean to sound like I was telling you how to fly.  I apologize if that is how it seemed.



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« Reply #52 on: December 27, 2006, 07:33:25 PM »
Yeah, I'm probably just frustrated. I wasn't trying to single you out, pluck. You just happened to catch the blunt end of my discouragement.
As for not making friends..... When you switch countries everytime you log in just to try to balance things out, you spend more time trying to figure out what's going on. The same "swappers" are on, numbers guy is either augering on take-off or is hollering about a panzer at the spawn point or wondering how to land, out loud. Tilt is shooting me down for the bazillianth time, or so it seems. I don't stay in one place long enough to make friends or get comfortable.

And tonight was the first time that I flew with the rooks and the vox was silent.

That, in itself, is enough to break my heart....

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« Reply #53 on: December 27, 2006, 07:41:59 PM »
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numbers guy is either augering on take-off or is hollering about a panzer at the spawn point or wondering how to land, out loud. T


you forgot trying to k/s himself by shooting you on take off:D  is np bud, think we all have periods of discouragement.  mine usually comes after a long day of work, i log on to try to find a good fight, and spend 30 minutes in tower then log.  i'm sure the strat guys have their moments too, which are probably the exact opposite of mine (everyone furballing) :)
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« Reply #54 on: December 27, 2006, 08:42:29 PM »
Bottom line(s) here...

this is a game...not a simulation of WWII (despite what TV commercials might nidicate)...nothing more...nothing less...games are intended to be fun...real war is not intedend to be fun or fair...guys who get pissed about dying wont be here for the long term anyhow...as long as there's a chance to win most folks don't mind dying as long as there's some semblance of fairness to it...I don't care how 1337 you consider yoursrself to be...in 1 5v1 you wont win unless the 5 are all zipcode guys...I've been drinking too much...again

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« Reply #55 on: December 27, 2006, 09:01:33 PM »
All I can say numberss sucked in the LW Blue arena tonight.  Flying for the rooks and seeing just uncountable bish numbers attack the nothern bases starting at a21.   Looked at the roster just to see and to find that rooks had only 60 people on where bish had more than 110 and knights a little less than 100.  The ENY limit was up over 15 and the bish just kept rolling through until the "war" was won.

After relogging back in after the reset, I saw the ENY limit for the bish was at 29 and wasnt changing along with the knights roughly around 10.  

I honestly dont see the ENY limiter affecting the sides.  With there being two late war arenas its hard for countries to have equal sides so I see it that as long as there are 2 LW arenas there will always be lopsided numbers.
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« Reply #56 on: December 27, 2006, 09:36:34 PM »
Maybe the side imbalance wouldn't be so great, if people didn't constantly switch to the side preceived to be winning the "war."  Maybe they wouldn't be so quick to switch to the larger or currently more successful side if they didn't get all those perk points for being on the winning side at the reset.  
Might that be some of the problem?

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« Reply #57 on: December 27, 2006, 10:32:35 PM »
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Maybe the side imbalance wouldn't be so great, if people didn't constantly switch to the side preceived to be winning the "war."  Maybe they wouldn't be so quick to switch to the larger or currently more successful side if they didn't get all those perk points for being on the winning side at the reset.  
Might that be some of the problem?


Unlikely, since you don't get perk points if you switch within a set number of hours of the reset. Is it 6 hours on the country??

Anyway, switching to the winning side isnt going to get perks.
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« Reply #58 on: December 27, 2006, 10:48:36 PM »
I think it's still 12 hours, but I'm not entirely sure.
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« Reply #59 on: December 27, 2006, 10:55:31 PM »
This will all fade away when CT opens in a couple of weeks, I've been told. Everyone will be so excited by the new environment they will stop whining- except for me, of course- I always seem to pick the arena with Rooks outnumbered & I whine all night.
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