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« Reply #45 on: December 27, 2006, 02:36:12 PM »
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he will be missed, he did alot.  what do you old people remember of him?


Old people? What are you, twelve? Whatever...

I held the Nixon pardon against him for a long time but have come to realize that it was probably best for the country in order to start healing. As it is he was probably one the most decent, stand-up guys to hold the office of President during the 20th century.

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« Reply #46 on: December 27, 2006, 04:30:41 PM »
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Old people? What are you, twelve? Whatever...

I held the Nixon pardon against him for a long time but have come to realize that it was probably best for the country in order to start healing. As it is he was probably one the most decent, stand-up guys to hold the office of President during the 20th century.

Mr. Ford


What part of "he pardoned Nixon", don't you understand.  He sold out.  Equal Justice.  If he hadn't pardoned Nixon, the nation would have what???I'd really like to know.  That "helped the nation start healing" is a crock.

Politicians are a joke.  In the last Congress 9 junior congressman (elected every two years) went to congress the only now millionaires of the 400.  Today, just two years later, there all millionaires. Go figure.  yea, they got your interests at hart.
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Re: Re: Re: Gerald Ford
« Reply #47 on: December 27, 2006, 04:34:32 PM »
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Politicians are a joke.  In the last Congress 9 junior congressman (elected every two years) went to congress the only now millionaires of the 400.  Today, just two years later, there all millionaires. Go figure.  yea, they got your interests at hart.


Well, misguided as I feel it is, many are for NCLB... ;)
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« Reply #48 on: December 27, 2006, 05:45:05 PM »
wasn't he the left boob to nixons right?

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« Reply #49 on: December 28, 2006, 09:46:11 AM »
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What part of "he pardoned Nixon", don't you understand.  He sold out.  Equal Justice.  If he hadn't pardoned Nixon, the nation would have what???I'd really like to know.  That "helped the nation start healing" is a crock.

Politicians are a joke.  In the last Congress 9 junior congressman (elected every two years) went to congress the only now millionaires of the 400.  Today, just two years later, there all millionaires. Go figure.  yea, they got your interests at hart.


Ok, Politicians are a joke.  I agree (in most cases) but what does your second
paragraph have to do with the first?

Any after the fact trial of Richard Nixon would have turned into something akin to the "witch trial" from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
Just what this contry needed.  Not!  The pardon was the right thing to do.
Maybe not politically for Ford, because it screwed him out of getting elected
and stuck us with Jimmy (I've lusted in my heart) Carter.

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« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2006, 10:05:04 AM »
"The State of the Union is not good" from his 1975 State of the Union address.  When was the last time you heard something as honest as that when it was called for?

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« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2006, 10:18:01 AM »
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What part of "he pardoned Nixon", don't you understand.  He sold out.  Equal Justice.  If he hadn't pardoned Nixon, the nation would have what???I'd really like to know.  That "helped the nation start healing" is a crock.

Politicians are a joke.  In the last Congress 9 junior congressman (elected every two years) went to congress the only now millionaires of the 400.  Today, just two years later, there all millionaires. Go figure.  yea, they got your interests at hart.


I get every bit of "he pardoned Nixon". I hated him for it at the time. I gleefully voted against him when I had the chance because of it. What I have come to realize over the years though is that the nation was coming apart during those days. All we needed then was the circus atmosphere of a protracted trial to finish the job of splintering us, perhaps irreperably. I personally was ready for a revolution in this country and was by no means alone. I remember those days very well. The Nixon affair was only the last straw in a big bale.

Do I think Nixon should have gone to jail? Yes. But the benefit of hindsight tells me that his pardon put the whole affair to bed quickly so that we could move on.

Do I think all politicians are crooks? HELL yes, the vast majority of them! If they aren't corrupt to begin with they are shortly corrupted by "the machine", are absorbed by it and then become just another corrupt cog in it. At this time I will forgo what would be a very lengthy diatribe on my view of U.S politics.

All that aside, I don't know and will never know Ford's motive for pardoning Nixon. All that I do know is that at this point I'd prefer to look back and see that the whole matter was ended sooner rather than later viewing the consequences that might have been.

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« Reply #52 on: December 28, 2006, 11:16:50 AM »
To A better man than I, no way in heck woulld I have wanted to pick up the pieces after Nixon pulled all his baddness.

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« Reply #53 on: December 28, 2006, 05:34:30 PM »
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"The State of the Union is not good" from his 1975 State of the Union address.  When was the last time you heard something as honest as that when it was called for?

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« Reply #54 on: December 28, 2006, 06:02:01 PM »
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I get every bit of "he pardoned Nixon". I hated him for it at the time. I gleefully voted against him when I had the chance because of it. What I have come to realize over the years though is that the nation was coming apart during those days. All we needed then was the circus atmosphere of a protracted trial to finish the job of splintering us, perhaps irreperably. I personally was ready for a revolution in this country and was by no means alone. I remember those days very well. The Nixon affair was only the last straw in a big bale.

Do I think Nixon should have gone to jail? Yes. But the benefit of hindsight tells me that his pardon put the whole affair to bed quickly so that we could move on.

Do I think all politicians are crooks? HELL yes, the vast majority of them! If they aren't corrupt to begin with they are shortly corrupted by "the machine", are absorbed by it and then become just another corrupt cog in it. At this time I will forgo what would be a very lengthy diatribe on my view of U.S politics.

All that aside, I don't know and will never know Ford's motive for pardoning Nixon. All that I do know is that at this point I'd prefer to look back and see that the whole matter was ended sooner rather than later viewing the consequences that might have been.


I'll add to that as well... Remember the USSR???  They were looking at all of this going on... Our friends around the globe were already nervous about the US and its resolve to back our allies.

The pardon was the only thing to do.  Nixons only mistake was participating in the cover-up to protect his idiot chief of staff anyway.

Ford, ya made the right call.
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« Reply #55 on: December 28, 2006, 07:32:45 PM »
Lets see.
He pardoned Nixon, for his lies, cover up and crimanal actions.
No chance for empeachmnet, or to account for his crimes.
But we empeach Bill Clinton for infidelity?
I'm sorry the man is dead, but he was 90.
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« Reply #56 on: December 28, 2006, 08:14:28 PM »
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Lets see.
He pardoned Nixon, for his lies, cover up and crimanal actions.
No chance for empeachmnet, or to account for his crimes.
But we empeach Bill Clinton for infidelity?
I'm sorry the man is dead, but he was 90.


Actually I believe the impeachment was a moot point before the pardon. The difference between Nixon and clinton is that Nixon resigned the office knowing he would face impeachment. You can't impeach someone who is not in office.
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« Reply #57 on: December 28, 2006, 08:18:44 PM »
Actually I believe the impeachment was a moot point before the pardon. The difference between Nixon and clinton is that Nixon resigned the office knowing he would face impeachment. You can't impeach someone who is not in office.

What about accountability for his crimes?
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« Reply #58 on: December 28, 2006, 11:37:51 PM »
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Originally posted by blutic
Lets see.
He pardoned Nixon, for his lies, cover up and crimanal actions.
No chance for empeachmnet, or to account for his crimes.
But we empeach Bill Clinton for infidelity?
I'm sorry the man is dead, but he was 90.


Bill Clinton's empeachment was not about "infidelity".
It was over a little thing called lying under oath.
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